] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, JULY 31 - AUGUST 1, 1998 *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:54:12 -0500 (EST) From: sahutchi@iupui.edu Subject: liz taylor in Oz (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:50:37 PDT From: moshe berezin Subject: liz taylor in Oz Hello Scott: This seems like a good opportunity to try out my e-mail, so I'll pass on this excerpt from todays New York Daily News (Hollywood column by Marilyn Beck and Stacy Jewel Smith): "ROLE IN NEW OZ FILM TAYLOR-MADE FOR LIZ Elizabeth Taylor is not only making a return to the screen in "The Visit" for Robert Haimi, she's also talking about starring in a feature about the Land of Oz for friend Rod Steiger. The 73-year old Oscar winner relates that his project is based on a script "a man wrote and I rewrote, about Dorothy wanting to go back to Oz when she's in her 60s.Elizabeth has written me a note saying how much she wants to do it -- and she would be perfect for it. The part calls for a childish naivete, which Elizabeth has. Now, I just want to make sure she's up to doing it." There is more in the piece about him and Taylor, but not about the Oz project. It is noteworthy to see she's still interested in Oz, 25 years after Smith's Number 13. I hope to hear from you soon. -- Marc ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:46:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ozmama@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 07-29-98 In a message dated 98-07-30 07:14:35 EDT, you write: Tyler:<< Also, does anybody know when it will be released?>> The blurb I heard said Christmas '98 for the rerelease of Wizard. I vote that we not postpone _Lost Princess_. I'm so jealous of those of you going to MunchCon! Have a terrific time. --Robin ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 07:30:03 -0700 From: Bob Spark Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 07-29-98 X-Accept-Language: en J. L. Bell, > In other words, a wag should be dogging his tale. Wonderful!! Bob Spark ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: VoVat Quetzalcoatlus Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 07-29-98 X-Originating-IP: [205.188.193.22] J. L. Bell: >Thompson's >"new technology"--the Flyaboutbus, ozoplanes, the Wizard's searchlight, and >Captain Salt's balloon sails--somewhat resemble contemporary technology, >but I think she portrays them all as relying on magic to work. In contrast, >Baum depicts Oz's radio telegraph, balloon, and phonograph as working the >same way America's do. All in all, Thompson doesn't seem to share the >"technology can seem like magic" message Baum promulgated in WIZARD, QUEER >VISITORS, MAGIC KEY, and other works. True, although she had no objection to mixing the two forces (as she did with the Ozoplanes and Umbrella Island). Overall, I'd say that her view of magic and technology was considerably closer to LFB's than that of Kenneth Gage Baum was. His _Dinamonster_ portrayed magic and technology as being completely different (and technology as being superior). > Which is to say, no matter how "completist" I may feel about reading L. >Frank Baum fantasies, I suffer no urge to finish the TWINKLE books or >collect old [or new] editions of BOY FORTUNE HUNTERS and AUNT JANE'S >NIECES. It's much the same way with me. Dick: >Besides me, who all will be attending the Munchkin Convention >this coming weekend? I expect to see Earl, Herm, the Kennedys, >Nathan and David - - am I right? Yes, I'm planning on being there. Scott Olsen: >Dave wrote:"...BCF: FWIW, on the Red Dwarf List, the ECF (*Episode* of >Current Focus) >>gets one week to be discussed. Period. Then we move on. I'm not about >>to introduce that level of rigidity.... Vote "Yes" to delay the >discussion [or] a No vote means we proceed with the discussion in a week's >time.." > >Well, I vote No. And while we're on the subject, perhaps *some* level of >rigidity would be appropriate--perhaps new BCF every 3 weeks. Period. Then >we move on. Well, the BCF discussion rarely seem to last more than 3 weeks, anyway. Our problem is that there is usually a long pause between two books of current focus. For instance, our current BCF is still _Rinkitink_, and I haven't noticed anything about that one on the Digest in almost a month. Dave: >MOTION TO DELAY _LOST PRINCESS_ DISCUSSION VOTES: > >Yes: 2 33% >No: 4 67% I say "No," although I'm not really particular. Nathan Mulac DeHoff ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:17:24 -0700 From: "Weisberg, Larry" Subject: Ozzy Digest submission To Tyler Jones : "Oz" is slated for theatrical release on December 25, 1998 To James Doyle: I haven't forgotten about you or the "Theatrical Oz" page I've been promising to on-line. I was capitalistically sidetracked with work on my "Ye Olde Bookshoppe of Oz" pages: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6188/bookshoppe.html Now that the shoppe is up and running, I hope to turn my attentions to 1902 shortly. To Marc? moshe berezin : Don't get overly excited about a "Land of Oz" feature... Disney is planning one as a TV-movie for their "Wonderful World of Disney" banner. Thusfar, most of their "films" have been lame remakes and barely-budgeted sub-par outings. Ozzily yours... Larry Weisberg ldweisberg@geocities.com )|( (o o) ----------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo------------------------------- ------ "Welcome to Oz" http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Bungalow/2525/ Also consider visiting "WEISBERG on the WEB" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6188 ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:34:17 -0400 (EDT) From: LuVCHACHI@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 07-29-98 In a message dated 7/30/98 7:14:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DaveH47@delphi.com writes: << >For those of us who are exasperated by the Bible-thumpers' claims of Satanism in the Oz books< Gee, I'm one of those Bible Thumpers, and I don't believe I have ever said that the Oz books are evil or satanic. In fact, I think it is good to see the contrast between good and evil, and hopefully the good will win out. >> could someone enlighten me as to what this in reference to? ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:32:50 -0400 (EDT) From: LuVCHACHI@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 07-29-98 In a message dated 7/30/98 7:14:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DaveH47@delphi.com writes: << Besides me, who all will be attending the Munchkin Convention this coming weekend? I expect to see Earl, Herm, the Kennedys, Nathan and David - - am I right? Anyone else? See you there. >> I was originally going to go but then they changed the dates to the days I'm going to be away....Those of you who are going could you let me know about it? ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:39:30 -0400 (EDT) From: LuVCHACHI@aol.com Subject: Oz Books I was wondering if anyone had any pre 1940 Oz books. I have two, (The Emerald City of Oz & Kabumpo in Oz), and was curious if anyone else had any. Ok, BYE! ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:42:58 -0700 From: "Stephen J. Teller" Subject: OZ The following was in the forwarded message from Marc Berezin: > Elizabeth Taylor is not only making a return to the screen in "The > Visit" for Robert Haimi, she's also talking about starring in a feature > about the Land of Oz for friend Rod Steiger. > > The 73-year old Oscar winner relates that his project is based on a > script "a man wrote and I rewrote, about Dorothy wanting to go back to > Oz when she's in her 60s.Elizabeth has written me a note saying how much > she wants to do it -- and she would be perfect for it. The part calls > for a childish naivete, which Elizabeth has. Now, I just want to make > sure she's up to doing it." > This sounds suspiciously like Tedrow's "Dorothy--Return to Oz" which I consider the worst Oz related book ever written (and I have read "Barnstormer" "Wicked" and all of March Laumer). I hope this is not the case. Dave Hardenbrook wrote: > > NEW OZ MOVIE?: > On the Internet Movie Database I found something called _The Magic Book of > Oz_ (1994), written directed and produced by Bruce Carroll/Videoz. The > info is very fragmentary. Does anyone know anything about it? > This is a short film that was first shown at the Ozmaoplitan Convention in 1994 or '95. I have a copy which Bruce Carroll had for sale at the convention. It is a rather amaturish work with some imagination and some very low grade computer animation. It has the qualities of a "let's go to the barn with a few friends and make a movie" production. The girls playing Dorothy, Trot, and Betsy are the right age. I am going to be gone from August 4 to 10 attending the World Science Fiction Convention in Baltimore (which means that I will not be able to get to Aberdeen and see Mienhardt Raabe again). I would he happy to begin LOST PRINCESS any time after that. Steve T. ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:11:44 -0500 From: "R. M. Atticus Gannaway" Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 07-29-98 DAVE HARDENBROOK: >On the Internet Movie Database I found something called _The Magic Book of >Oz_ (1994), written directed and produced by Bruce Carroll/Videoz. The >info is very fragmentary. Does anyone know anything about it? Chris Dulabone has mentioned this "film"; it's apparently some sort of video production. Nothing major. RE: MGM MOVIE RE-RELEASE As per Robin's suggestion, I'd love to meet her and whoever else is interested to see it on the big screen, which would be a first for me. I'll be in New York City and Tulsa for Christmas (how's that for contrast?) but will be back by New Year's. RE: READING ALL THE FF I was fortunate enough to become interested in Oz in the heyday of the Del Rey series and had little difficulty getting the first 15 Thompsons. Then I had to wait for IWOC and BOW to do the rest, and I believe HIDDEN VALLEY was the last one I read. I'm just glad I didn't end my initial reading of the series with, say, SCALAWAGONS. Technically, I got to read the entire Oz series when I was still a "child" (8-14). I think that's pretty cool! RE: BEST 100 BOOKS Okay, so _Wonderful Wizard_ isn't on the Modern Library list. Personally, I wouldn't want any Oz books in the same company with _Slaughterhouse-Five_ anyway! Egads. As for the Radcliffe list, I was dismayed when I first saw "Frank L. Baum." How thoughtless/careless can they be? Serious credibility demerits as far as I'm concerned. Ditto for their inclusion of _Hitchhiker's Guide_. MY LOST PRINCESS VOTE: I say we postpone discussion. I've given up on trying to catch up with the BCFs (I'm still on ROAD) and will just skip ahead to PRINCESS (_anything_ not to have to finish ROAD). I'd love to have the chance to read my recently-acquired first edition of LP. Hopefully I'll now be able to keep up and actually participate in the discussions. Yea. :) Atticus * * * "...[T]here is something else: the faith of those despised and endangered that they are not merely the sum of damages done to them." Visit my webpage at http://members.aol.com/atty993 ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:35:03 -0700 From: "A.E. Schaible" Subject: ozzy digest Hi everyone! Tyler: I'm game for a trip to see the MGM movie! It will be nice to see it with Ozzy people who want to rather than those members of my family I could drag to it. Thank you to Gordon for sending me David's thorough report on the Winkie Conference! David: I hope we can expect an equally thorough reverberation of the Munchkin Convention for those of us who can't attend. Dave: It is cool with me to delay L.P., do what you think is best about a general policy. Liz Schaible schaible@la.bigger.net ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:54:21 -0400 From: Richard Bauman Subject: Today's Oz Growls Sender: Richard Bauman In case any of you haven't ordered "Oz-Story 4" let me warn you. You can now buy it from Books of Wonder, autographed. Sigh. I wish I had known. I made the big mistake of buying it from the publisher, Hungry Tiger Press. Mine came not autographed, with the spine damaged. In addition, they have no email address or 800 number and will only take snail-mailed checks. Sigh. Beyond all of this whining, the book looks great. David - If you are going to die, just let me know and I will alert the Digest. :) Somehow I think Jeremy mispelled and was asking about posting his posts posthumorously. The amusing thing to me was that I heard that many of the "LitCrit" types that produced the list had never read some of them. Some that I saw aren't worth reading. Scott >Well, I vote No. And while we're on the subject, perhaps *some* level of rigidity would be appropriate--perhaps new BCF every 3 weeks. Period. Then we move on. I suggested this but Dave isn't into being that structured. Maybe he went to Montessori School. :) I vote for a hold on the Lost Princess. I refuse to say why. David - You left out 8-track tapes. I had a player in my Firebird. When I sold the Firebird I couldn't give away the 8-tracks. I even know someone who had lots of beta format video tapes. Another dead end. Now we need to watch the battle over the DVD format and not get left with the looser. >I certainly put WWoO as one of the top 100 books ever written--one of the top 20, at least! Am putting my sense in! Jeremy, this is a joke, right? I didn't see any :) Regards, Bear (:<) ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:08:01 -0400 From: Tyler Jones Subject: Oz Sender: Tyler Jones Dave: Do you mean that the MGM movie is being released on Christmas day of this year? Dave again: The fact that Ozma appears so much smaller than Glinda may have reinforced your idea that Glinda was Ozma's mother. Children usually appear to be very little in the Oz books. Of course, when March Laumer saw that picture... (oh, never mind). Tyler Jones ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:52:42 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman Subject: ozzy digest J.L. Bell: Wagner was the stereotype example-of-famous-composer dividing reactions into angry opposition of outraged dislike vs. evangelistic you-must-like-this-to-be-up-to-date in Baum's time (rather like Schoenberg and atonal/serial row music now, and similar also in that the the stereotype example of "modern" music is from a couple of generations back). Besides the "Vogner" mention in "John Dough," Baum has the thunder play choruses from Wagner's "Tannhauser" in "Mo." While the "Twinkle and Chubbins" stories are poor stuff overall, there's a good deal of interesting material mixed in with them -- and for those of us who are interested in fantasy as a type of literature (probably all of us on the Digest?), they are worth reading in a way that the Aunt Jane's Nieces and Boy Fortune Hunters books probably aren't. You might give "Policeman Blue Jay" a try (interesting social comments in the way the bird society is set up and in the portrayal of the bird utopia that the kids get to visit), even if you can't get through the collection of the shorter T&C stories. Lisa Bompiani: Hope the job interview went well! Scott Hutchins: Interesting information on the possibility of Elizabeth Taylor in Oz. It doesn't sound like a good idea (shows no awareness of the existence of later Oz books?), but if nothing else it would be an interesting curiosity, if such a film actually got made. You seem to be getting into a kind of automatic reflex to discuss how the generalization does or doesn't apply to your own Oz writing, whenever someone makes a generalization about the Oz books or about one author's Oz books. I wish you wouldn't bring your unpublished work into this sort of discussion, as so few on the Digest can have read your stories. Wait until there's a published version so that meaningful discussion is possible. Liz Schaible: Getting the watercolors of Dorothy's farmhouse sounds like fun. Roy Roy McVeigh's own work, I take it? Were they of the farmhouse in Kansas, or after the crash in Oz? Ruth Berman ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:37:43 -0700 From: ozbot Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Here's a news blurb I found on one of the news/movie sites I frequent: The Bad News you can figure out yourself... The Good News is that no production company seems to be reported in optioning the film. When a director/producer becomes attatched, *then* we can start worrying... "Off to See Rod Steiger? E!Online reports that actor Rod Steiger (On the Waterfront, Mars Attacks) has written a sequel to the 1939 musical classic The Wizard of Oz. Steiger has reportedly told columnist Marilyn Beck that we wants Elizabeth Taylor to play a sixtysomething Dorothy who returns to Oz. Taylor's representatives reportedly have no comment. and here is the "source" from E! Online.... "Liz: Off to See the Wizard? by Joal Ryan July 30, 1998, 1:25 p.m. PT Dear L. Frank Baum: Um, you're lying down, right? Not to freak you out or anything, but there's a little matter in the papers down here today about a sequel to The Wizard of Oz. Now assuming you have good cable, you've no doubt seen the definitive screen version of your children's classic--the 1939 musical starring Judy Garland as Kansas farm girl Dorothy Gale. "Over the Rainbow." Dancing Munchkins. Toto, too. Good stuff, agreed? Agreed. Now, as to the matter of a sequel...Um, you ever hear of Rod Steiger? Actor. Oscar-winner. Tough guy. Maybe you caught him in Carpool, perhaps? Anyway, Mr. Steiger, as we said, is an actor--except what he apparently really wants to do is write and so, at age 73, he's written--a screenplay sequel to The Wizard of Oz. Oh, he's not the first to try this--grim stuff like Return to Oz is proof enough of that. And we know that you cranked out more than a few follow-ups in novel-form yourself. But Steiger...well, he might have come up with a first for the series. He tells columnist Marilyn Beck that his script features an AARP-eligible Dorothy returning to the living-color world of talking trees and flying monkeys. To play the 60-year-old recovering tornado victim, Steiger says he's lobbying for...Elizabeth Taylor. Don't know if your tabloid subscriptions are current, but--how to describe Ms. Taylor? She's kind of like the anti-Cal Ripkin. A package stamped: "Fragile Cargo." (On the plus side, Liz does come with her own Toto--a little Matisse named Sugar.) Anyway, Steiger says Taylor is interested. "She has written me a note saying how much she wants to do it--and she would be perfect for it," Steiger tells Beck. Taylor's reps couldn't be reached for comment. That's all we know for now, Mr. Baum. We just thought we'd let you know. In case you want to start spinning or anything. " That's all from Hollywood! (That's Enough!) ozbot Danny Wall ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 01 Aug 98 13:26:19 (PDT) From: Dave Hardenbrook Subject: Ozzy Things MOTION TO DELAY _LOST PRINCESS_ DISCUSSION VOTES: Yes: 6 50% No: 6 50% Well, the thing I most feared has happened...We have a tie. However there were a number of in-between and "maybe" votes that I felt inclined to disregard, which I felt very bad about...So we will need to have a new vote. (But _Lost P._ will definitely not start discussion for another week.) I think for our "run-off" vote and for future votes, I'm going to have to work out a better scheme for vote-taking. I'm open to suggestions. I'll probably put up some kind of voting form on my web page in the next couple of days... Jellia: I have a horrible feeling that by the time this is resolved, it will be as if we had just delayed it to begin with... BEAR: Scott: >>Well, I vote No. And while we're on the subject, perhaps *some* >>level of rigidity would be appropriate--perhaps new BCF every 3 weeks. >>Period. Then we move on. Bear: >I suggested this but Dave isn't into being that structured. Maybe he went >to Montessori School. :) It's nothing to do with me...It is others that have objected to a rigid structure...But maybe I should take a vote on *that* too... And yes I *did* go to Montessouri School, but only for a few months in kindergarten; so I consider myself a Montessouri School dropout. :) >You left out 8-track tapes. I had a player in my Firebird. When I >sold the Firebird I couldn't give away the 8-tracks. I even know someone >who had lots of beta format video tapes. Another dead end. Now we need to >watch the battle over the DVD format and not get left with the looser. As it is, I worry that before long we're going to see those who bought Video CD-i players wandering around mumbling to themselves... Also, my family is beginning to contemplate getting a new VCR (We're having major tracking problems with our tapes in our ten-year old VCRs), but what if after blowing $1000 on a decent VCR there is a full-fledged DVD revolution including the introduction of affordable *recordable* DVDs?? They might have to summon the paddywagon and have me committed... LIZ IN OZ: Let us pray that it doesn't happen...I'm not so much against Liz herself, but I'm sure that what we really don't need is another movie denial of the existence of the Glorious Reign of Ozma...As it is, my pastor has commented on my increase in church attendance since the announcement of an upcoming movie of _Wicked_... DIGEST: I just want to make a couple of new directives about posting to the Digest (these will go into the FAQ too): -- In a reply, don't quote the entire Digest you're replying to(!) -- Delete your mail program's default "On such-and-such day and time, DaveH47@delphi.com wrote:" since obviously it may not be something *I* wrote that you're replying to. -- If a week or more goes by that you're not getting the Digest, it is probably because your ISP has put my address on its "Enemies List". Have a friend contact me (see below). MISSING DIGESTS: I have mentioned in the past that there are a number of Digest members whose Digests have recently been "bouncing back" daily and I cannot manage to contact them no matter what I do...Well, I have found out that there is something called the "MAPS Realtime Blackhole List" which is an "Enemies List" of E-mail address that have been branded "SPAM-producers"...If you're address is on this list, *nothing* you E-mail will reach its recipient, even if what you're E-mailing isn't SPAM or even a mass mailing. Obviously they've seen that I mass-mail the Digest and assumed that it is SPAM...It is the standard "SPAM Paranoid's Syllogism": All SPAM is a mass mailing The Ozzy Digest is a mass mailing Therefore the Ozzy Digest is SPAM. Which is of course logically equivalent to: All cats have four legs My dog has four legs Therefore my dog is a cat. Now, what do we *do* about it...? Good question. But somehow I have to contact the people not getting the Digest and tell them that this is going on and that they should at least contact their ISP's and ask them to have DaveH47@delphi.com removed from the "Blacklist"...So here is the list of addresses bouncing the Digest, and assignments I have made for people to E-mail these people and forward these comments of mine to them..Can I ask the members to do this? These assignments are purely random, based only on people who I know I can trust to help me out in solving this long-standing serpent in Ozzy Digest Eden... "Bouncing" Member To be E-mailed by... -------------------------------------------------------- Duglor@connectnet.com.........tnj@compuserve.com raleigh@minn.net..............phanff@library.berkeley.edu mvincent@txdirect.net.........davidhulan@ntsource.com ferrywa@televar.com...........ozbot@earthlink.net piglet@piglet.com.............Ozisus@aol.com rasta63@rpnet.net.............JnoLBell@compuserve.com sherrychap@global2000.net.....Ozmama@aol.com wizardofoz@bigfoot.com........sahutchi@cord.iupui.edu Please also "CC:" your message to me so I know you sent it... -- Dave ====================================================================== -- Dave **************************************************************************** Dave Hardenbrook, DaveH47@delphi.com, http://people.delphi.com/DaveH47/ "I like to define humor as the affectionate communication of insight." -- Leo Rosten, introduction to _Oh K*A*P*L*A*N, My K*A*P*L*A*N_ ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, AUGUST 2 - 4, 1998 *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 21:18:55 -0400 From: Richard Bauman Subject: Today's Oz Growls Sender: Richard Bauman LuVCHACHI - I gather you are new to the Digest. Why don't you write a couple of paragraphs introducing yourself and your Oz background. At one time each of the regulars filled out a questionaire about themselves so we could all get to know each other better. As a new person it would be a little hard to catch you up on all of us. However, if we know where you are coming from it will be easier for us to answer your questions. The first thing you might want to do is read Dave's FAQ. If you don't have access to it I can email it to you. In response to your questions, one of more of the Munchkins will give a report of the event to the Digest. Count on it. I doubt you would be very interested in someone ranting about "Bible Thumpers." It is of pretty minimal interest to most of us. Pre 1940 Oz books? Well, yes, the first 33 were all written before 1940. That is the kind of thing you will find in Dave's Oz FAQ. (Frequently Asked Questions) I would be happy to email you a list of the "Famous Forty" if you would like one. It would also help if you would sign your post so we know what to call you. I hope your name isn't Dave/David. We have plenty of those already. Dave - Sorry to hear our Digest is now SPAM. If you need more help let me know. Regards, Bear (:<) ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:55:01 -0400 From: Ted Nesi Subject: Elizabeth Taylor in Oz X-Accept-Language: en Good grief! Elizabeth Taylor -- in Oz? "Dorothy on a Hot Tin Roof" ... "TOrnado 8" ... "Who's Afraid of Ruggedo Woolf?" ... >shudder<. I just can't see it. Downright scary if you ask me. I can't imagine Judy Garland's Dorothy growing up to be Liz. Ohmygosh, will she *sing*? Harold Arlen and "Yip" Harburg are dead! Ted -- *********************************************************** * TED'S LUCILLE BALL PAGE ~ CLASSIC TELEVISION ~ * * THE UNOFFICIAL "WIZARD OF OZ" HOME PAGE * * http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/6066/ * *********************************************************** ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:55:45 -0400 From: Ted Nesi Subject: Number 13? X-Accept-Language: en What is this "Number 13" that seems to have involved Liz Taylor? I keep hearing references to it. Ted -- *********************************************************** * TED'S LUCILLE BALL PAGE ~ CLASSIC TELEVISION ~ * * THE UNOFFICIAL "WIZARD OF OZ" HOME PAGE * * http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/6066/ * *********************************************************** ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:50:03 -0400 From: Ted Nesi Subject: Postpone Cc: Dave Hardenbrook X-Accept-Language: en Postpone the "Lost Princess" discussion. I'm deffinitley going to save my money (how much will it be?) for the BoW edition, and then I'll read it, and then I'll have lots of questions and comments so I vote "Yes" (assuming that means "Yes, delay.") Ted -- *********************************************************** * TED'S LUCILLE BALL PAGE ~ CLASSIC TELEVISION ~ * * THE UNOFFICIAL "WIZARD OF OZ" HOME PAGE * * http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/6066/ * *********************************************************** ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 16:02:37 -0700 From: Bob Spark Subject: Sound Clips X-Accept-Language: en I came across a couple of sound clips from the movie in my files and the thought struck me that some correspondent to the "digest" might care to have them. Bob Spark Attachment Converted: "c:\Dave\Internet\Archive\melting.wav" Attachment Converted: "c:\Dave\Internet\Archive\yrdog2.wav" [Anyone who wants these please privately E-mail me or Bob -- Dave] ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:05:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kiex@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-01-98 While I'm thinking about it (and that is a rare occurrence--my thinking, I mean ;-) ), I vote no for a delay before Lost Princess. If I already voted, discount that. <> Well, I ahdn't thought of itr that way, but that works...But accusing me of misspelling, that offends me! Until next time, Jeremy Steadman ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:28:37 -0400 From: "John L. Bell" Subject: from OzCon in Wilmington, DE Sender: "John L. Bell" I'm typing this from the Radisson Hotel in Wilmington, Delaware (state motto: Made from synthetic fibers by DuPont), where the Munchkin Convention has just come to a close. I'll leave it for others to provide a complete report of the meeting since I dawdled on Staten Island during my trip south and therefore missed the Friday events (lecture on witches, lecture on "vitches," costume show). I can say that I enjoyed meeting Oz fans old and new, including Digest members Nathan DeHoff, Dick Randolph, David Hulan, John W Kennedy (and wife Eleanor), Earl Abbe, Herm Beiber, and others too shy to post often. Among the prize winners, Herm pranced away with the adult costume prize for a "Dorothy from Hell," descriptions of which almost made me glad I saw Staten Island instead. Children's costume prize and quiz were won by Tik-Tok fan Jimmy Phillips. Adult quiz consisted of the question, "Where is the quiz?", which was never answered. I missed any announcement of Oz Research Table recognitions, though Digest members like Ruth Berman and Dave Hardenbrook attended the meeting in spirit through that table (they had pieces on display there; they didn't rap on it). The most memorable part of the auction was the bidding over a Macy's Munchkin manniquin from 1989, whose price topped $700. As Ed Brody said to his daughter Anna, still dressed in her Dorothy gingham, "Get up on the table and stand real still; we could get a thousand for you." Also memorable was the sight of an energetic little girl named Emma holding the auction hammer near various 45s and peanut-butter glasses, eager--perhaps too eager--to signal the next sale. The theme for this convention was the 100th anniversary of the demise of the Wicked Witch of the East--a somewhat arbitrary date that saved us from celebrating the 75th anniversary of COWARDLY LION but may have contributed to confusion about when WIZARD was published. Chris Sterling and David Moyer carried off a fine meeting, likely the Munchkins' last at this site. I was especially impressed with David's boldness in dressing up as Hagatha, the leader of three witches trying to revive the Wicked Witch of the East, and ten minutes later expecting us to take his slide show on Baum and his family seriously. But, like his wig, he managed to pull it off! The Steiger/Taylor Oz project sounds a bit like DREAMCHILD, the 1980s film about a grown-up Alice Liddell dealing with her past as the little girl to/about whom Charles Dodgson told his ALICE stories. At least, thinking of it that way is more comfortable than thinking of it as WAS or DOROTHY RETURN TO OZ. But folks who follow the film industry know the tall odds of a septuagenarian director and a famously fragile actress attracting the funding to make such a movie, even if they are both Oscar winners. Steve Teller wrote: <<_The Magic Book of Oz_...is a short film that was first shown at the Ozmaoplitan Convention in 1994 or '95. I have a copy which Bruce Carroll had for sale at the convention. It is a rather amaturish work with some imagination and some very low grade computer animation. It has the qualities of a "let's go to the barn with a few friends and make a movie" production. The girls playing Dorothy, Trot, and Betsy are the right age.>> Can someone familiar with this video synopsize its plot or premise? Thanks. On how different Oz authors treat magic and technnology, Nathan DeHoff wrote: <> I think by the 1940s, and for a businessman like K. G. Baum, the technology in the Oz books was looking decidedly old-fashioned, even if it had originally been fairly up to date. The Emerald City was just getting scalawagons, after all! In addition, the technology in the real world was looking more and more powerful. DINAMONSTER seems to play off contemporary images; the Nome army's lights sweeping the sky and the devastation they inflict on the Emerald City remind me of newsreels about the London Blitz. With that widening contrast between Oz and the technologically driven world at war, it's easy to see how K. G. Baum came to see the forces as separate. Ruth Berman wrote: <> I did. Tonstant Fantasy Weader twowed up. But before doing so, I did spot Baum up to his usual study of how different societies organize themselves. Dave Hardenbrook wrote: <> Before you go to much trouble, consider how influential these votes really are. Folks who aren't up to discussing the current book simply won't. And I've seen no valuable observation on another published book ruled out of order or ignored. Isn't the designation of a current book a mutual convenience? And how often is that designation abused? J. L. Bell JnoLBell@compuserve.com ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:00:01 -0500 From: Mike Denio Subject: For Ozzy Digest >Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:17:24 -0700 >From: "Weisberg, Larry" > >I was capitalistically sidetracked with work on my "Ye Olde >Bookshoppe of Oz" pages: > >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6188/bookshoppe.html > I took a look at this web site and was _very_ impressed. I'd like to congratulate all responsible for creating a truly professional "polished" site. However, I feel compelled to point out one unfortunate quote in the "Wonderful Wizard" section of the page: >------------------- > "The Annotated Wizard of Oz: The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" (oop) > A must have... but current "used" price is $380! >------------------- I don't know if the price quote came from Amazon or not, but I certainly don't agree with it. I think its only fair to make people aware that most OOP books purchased through search services are available at significantly better prices direct from independent booksellers. I'd suggest including links to the independent the OOP book dealer search sites www.abebooks.com and www.bibliofind.com. Using the above title as an example, I searched for _Annotated Wizard_ on ABE, a site consisting of hundreds of independent dealers. Here's an edited summary of what I found: Baum, L. Frank. Hearn, Michael Patrick THE ANNOTATED WIZARD OF OZ New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc. (1973). First edition. Long quarto. Definitive edition of Baum's classic---studded with scores of photos, posters, drawings, paintings--including the b/w & color illustrations by W.W. Denslow; with notes, bibliography, historical/biographical introduction by Hearn. An OZ treasure trove! Book# 12953.00 US$ 75.00. Please contact BOOKFELLOWS for more information about purchasing this book. Also: Book# 001744 US$ 150.00. Please contact Susan Heller for more information about purchasing this book. Book# 1000401 US$ 150.00. Please contact Pawprint Books for more information about purchasing this book. Book# C391 US$ 145.00. Please contact Heritage Books for more information about purchasing this book. Book# 000621 US$ 100.00. Please contact TranceWorks for more information about purchasing this book. -----[ FYI: A Rare Book on ABE ]---------------------------------------------------- Someone mentioned something about Baum's plays the other day, so I did a search on _Musical Fantasies_. I was shocked that a copy Ford/Martin book (limited editon of 500 copies) was so easily accessible! Alla Ford and Dick Martin, The Musical Fantasies of L. Frank Baum, Chicago: Wizard Press 1958. 1st edition. LIMITED TO 500 COPIES. The story of Baum's stage ventures with additional bibliographic reference material which although somewhat dated, is very interesting. Also: Book# 37294 US$ 85.00. Please contact Boston Book Company for more information about purchasing this book. Book# 13449 US$ 75.00. Please contact Aleph-Bet Books, Inc. for more information about purchasing this book. Book# 001010 US$ 150.00. Please contact Frogtown Books, Inc. for more information about purchasing this book. "inscribed by Alla Ford" Book# 3402 US$ 135.00. Please contact Atlanta Vintage Books for more information about purchasing this book. ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 17:07:47 -0400 From: Richard Randolph Subject: Ozzy Digest 8-1-98 Back from the Munchkin Convention where I saw, as expected, Earl, Elinor & John Kennedy, Nathan, Sharon & Chris Warkala, Herm Bieber and met David Hulan and John Bell. It was great visiting with fellow "Digesters" and being able to put a face to the name. All in all, it was a fine convention, IMHO. I'll leave details to some of the others, but a highlight was Herm winning the costume contest dressed as Dorothy, complete with ruby slippers and Toto in basket. It was truly a weekend of "wicked witches", from a two-part sketch, (Fri. & Sat. nites) where a trio of witches (David Moyer, Tricia Trozzi & Elinor Kennedy attempted to revive the Wicked Witch of the East), to witch hats for almost everyone at dinner Saturday. The food, as always, was very good! I had great success at the auction, and was also able to acquire David's personal autograph on my copy of "Glass Cat". LuvCHACHI - do you have a name? And, yes, most of my Oz books are pre-1940. Dick ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:15:44 -0500 From: David Hulan Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 07-29-98 I'm not going to do a detailed report on the Munchkin Convention tonight (maybe more detail tomorrow or next day, if someone else doesn't first), but I'm back from it and had a good time. Met quite a variety of Digest people I'd never met before - Dick Randolph, Chris and Sharon Warkala (who haven't been that active lately, but who once were and who still read the Digest), Nathan DeHoff, John and Eleanor Kennedy, John Bell, and Earl Abbe - if I've forgotten anyone, my apologies, but I don't have a Munchkin roster and I'm a little punchy after traveling for seven hours or so. Also saw Digesters Jim Vandernoot and Herm Bieber whom I'd met before. A pleasant convention; its best points vis-a-vis the other Oz conventions are (a) better food, and (b) better prices (for the buyer) at the auction. (I got very nice copies of SEA FAIRIES and L&A OF SANTA CLAUS with color plates - though not 1sts - for a total of $162; at either of the other cons I doubt I could have gotten either of them for that little.) Major negative was an absolutely awful presentation on "The Metaphysical Aspect of Witches," or something like that, by someone who's a really woo-woo New Ager. It reminded me of the time that I went to an optical society meeting where the dinner speaker was going to discuss earthquake prediction - and turned out to be an astrologer! Hey, I can have as much fun with fantasy as anyone, but I like fantasy labeled as fantasy and reality as reality; when he parsed "prayer" as "p-ray-er," "p-rays" being short for "pyramid rays," which are emanations of Ancient Wisdom (or something like that) Tonstant Weader Fwowed Up (or, more accurately, I walked out). But that was only one item, and otherwise the program ranged from brilliant to interesting. I don't know if I'll return to Munchkins next year (I have to go to Ozmopolitan, and Winkies was my first convention and still the one where I know the most people best; do I have time and energy for three again?), but I'm sure I'll do so once every few years because they're good people and put on a good con. (And the food is exceptional for any convention of any kind that I've been to, especially for the price. I was told by someone that this year's food wasn't as good as the last few - in which case I'd say that the last few years ought to get at least a star or two from Michelin!) J.L.: >Yes. I was using the word "series" as a plural. Couldn't you tell?! Yes; I just didn't know if you meant books by Baum under a pseudonym or possible series of Oz books that someone else had written under a pseudonym - if such exist; I don't know that they do. I guess I was influenced by our frequent references to the Oz "canon" and "apocrypha"; given those, one might also postulate "pseudepigrapha" that would be included in your "pseudonymous" works. Bob C.: >Gee, I'm one of those Bible Thumpers, and I don't believe I have ever >said that the Oz books are evil or satanic. In fact, I think it is >good to see the contrast between good and evil, and hopefully the >good will win out. Well, there are Bible Thumpers and Bible Thumpers. You're obviously not in the group referred to, but I didn't see any indication in the quote in question that the writer (I don't recall who it was) meant to imply that all Bible Thumpers think Oz is satanic. You can't deny that a lot of them do. Jeremy: >I certainly put WWoO as one of the top 100 books ever written--one of the top >20, at least! Am putting my sense in! I wouldn't much more than put WWoO in my list of the top 20 Oz books ever written (well, it's probably about 15th). It's certainly within my top 100 favorite books, but even I can recognize that "favorite" and "best" aren't equivalent (though unlike some of the judges Random House used, I'm not going to rate a book "best" when I haven't read it). Liz: Welcome back! I see in a later Digest that Gordon sent you the one with my report, at least; did you get the ones with Atticus's and Peter Hanff's? They filled in a lot of the gaps in mine. Scott H.: >Several reasons I have for not reading _Wonder City_: >*I'm reading them in order and don't have Purple Prince While reading the books in order is a worthwhile thing to do, the only book that would suffer from your not having read _Purple Prince_ is _Silver Princess_, and there's no other FF book affected by either of those two. >*I haven't had much time, and other things I want to read, including many >Baum works. Good enough reason. >*If I'm going to buy it, I want to buy it in hardcover, which is more >cost-prohibitive. Depends on what you consider prohibitive; _Wonder City_ is available from BoW for about $20 in hardcover. _Glass Cat_ is sort of dated, in the sense that it concludes with a party celebrating the 75th anniversary of Betsy's arrival in Oz. That's not terribly specific, though. But there are also quite a few references to changes in California since Trot and Cap'n Bill left; it's pretty clear that it's no earlier than the '70s and probably later. (I was thinking in terms of about 1989 for the events when I wrote it, but if you want to deconstruct it...) I think I'll wait till tomorrow to comment on the 6/1 Digest... David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 03:05:28 +0000 From: Scott Olsen Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-01-98 I don't know if this is "new" news, but I just read today that the theme for the 1999 Rose Parade is "The Wizard of Oz" Scott Olsen ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 00:14:06 -0400 From: International Wizard of Oz Club Subject: FW: Wizard of Oz Collectors For the digest... -----Original Message----- From: Student Off Campus Bookstore [mailto:offcbkstore@clemson.campus.mci.net] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 1998 1:13 PM Subject: Wizard of Oz Collectors My name is Tim Kelley. I am with the Oconee Community Theatre in South Carolina. We are currently in production of the stage musical "The Wizard of Oz." As part of our opening night gala on September 11, 1998, we would like to have an avid collector of "Wizard of Oz" memorabilia to display his/her collection in our lobby. If there are any fan club members located near our area (Atlanta, GA; Greenville, SC; Columbia, SC) that could possibly help with this project, please contact me at: offcbkstore@clemson.campus.mci.net Your help is greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Tim Kelley Director of Publicity Oconee Community Theatre TK/jc ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 07:11:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Anthony Donajkowski Subject: new oz news Syndicated columnist Marilyn Beck reports Rod Steiger has written a sequel to THE WIZARD OF OZ, about a 60-year-old Dorothy who returns to Oz. If that hasn't gotten your ruby red slippers curling up, Steiger is in talks with Elizbath Taylor to play Dorothy. ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:43:54 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman Subject: ozzy digest Dave Hardenbrook: I'll put in a vote for delaying "Lost Princess" discussion a bit, in the hopes that it'll be a tie-breaker, considering that working out a procedure for breaking a tie will probably (as you suggest) take as long as the planned delay. A suggestion for future ties -- if the tie included your own vote, disqualify your own vote. If the tie didn't include your own vote, take your own vote as the tie-breaker. Ruth Berman ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:07:14 -0500 (EST) From: sahutchi@iupui.edu Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 07-29-98 > Yes. I was using the word "series" as a plural. Couldn't you tell?! > Which is to say, no matter how "completist" I may feel about reading L. > Frank Baum fantasies, I suffer no urge to finish the TWINKLE books or > collect old [or new] editions of BOY FORTUNE HUNTERS and AUNT JANE'S > NIECES. I would read AUNT JANE'S NIECES MEET THE BOY FORTUNE HUNTERS if > anyone wants to write that! How about _Aunt Jane's Nieces Go to Oz_ or _The Boy Fortune Hunters in Oz_ :) > Anyhow, there weren't any children's books on the list that I can recall; > after all, it was arrived at by the vote of a committee of LitCrit types, > and as you would expect is weighted heavily toward gloomy, introspective, > and/or difficult-to-read books, none of which applies to _The Wizard of > Oz_. _Wicked_ would be far more likely to make such a list from that kind > of panel. as would _Tip_... We must remember, however that 1900 is the final year of the 19th century, making Wizard automatically inelligible for the list. Of course, the AFI limited their film list to narrative films, and _Fantasia_ made it but barely qualifies, as _The Sorcerer's Apprentice_, and, marginally, _A Aight on Bald Mountain_ are the only narratives in the film, which certainly does not stretch overall. > > Change happens. Technology improves. Refusing to adopt new technologies > unless they're never going to change again basically means being a Luddite > and never adopting a new technology, because they'll always change. (Of > course, some things take longer than others. Italian violins of the Baroque > era are still considered the best - but I'm confident that someday someone > will make a better one. By contrast, computers still improve substantially > every few months.) I got a lot of pleasure out of 78 rpm records when I was > a kid, and 45s when I was a teen, and LPs as a young adult, cassettes (for > mobile use) somewhat later, and CDs more recently, and would feel that I'd > deprived myself unnecessarily if I'd eschewed any of these new technologies > waiting until the Ultimate came along. Besides, nothing is available in all formats (there are a lot of CDs I'm praying for that are out on vinyl or tape only), any more than all books are in print in all languages, but translations aren't always optimal, anyway. > Scott: I hardly consider the library a last resort! However, as a > collector trying to acquire copies of the FF, I see what you mean :) ... Au contraire, I got the libray to order _The Book of Hamburgs_ and _Our Landlady_ for me, and I used interlibrary loan to read _Tamawaca Folks_ and _Daughters of Destiny_. Stephen: My question about TF was the Van Der Slop/Van Der SLuis identification. Not only do I not know who any of the people they mentioned as equivalents were, but I don't recall this one being mentioned in the text. If he was, it must only have been once. Abyway, I highly reccomend _TF_, even if it is inherently funnier knowing who the characters equate to, other than Baum's stubborn shopkeeper. > Elizabeth Taylor is not only making a return to the screen in "The > Visit" for Robert Haimi, she's also talking about starring in a feature I belive that's referring to Robert Halmi, Sr. (not Haimi, unless I'm confused) > Dave Hardenbrook mentioned a Random House Web site that lets visitors vote > on the top English-language novels of the 20th century, since the Modern > Library's editors left THE WIZARD OF OZ and many other beloved titles off > their list. I just read that the Web-voted list was topped for a while by > William Shatner's TEKWORLD, which might indicate its value. > I got an A in my SF class without even bothering to read this, just saw the movie in class. > > NEW OZ MOVIE?: > On the Internet Movie Database I found something called _The Magic Book of > Oz_ (1994), written directed and produced by Bruce Carroll/Videoz. The > info is very fragmentary. Does anyone know anything about it? Bruce Carroll made this on video and showed it at a convention. I tried to contact him for a copy, but he nevber replied, possibly because I mentioned that I had heard it was bad but it did not deter my desire to see it. > > BTW, I recently got to see the Minneapolis Children's Theatre production > of _Land_ and very much enjoyed it! I wish they had performed other > Oz books as well! > I saw a pic on the web that looked like it was from _PG_, and I put the url on the digest twice before, but now I can't find it, and it may or may not still be there. Hower, Ruth Berman told me at Ozmoplitan last year that she has seen all their plays and PG was not one of them. The only others available on tape are _Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland_, _Puss in Boots_ and _The Red Shoes_, which are all excellent. I also saw part of their _Pinocchio_ on TV, but that has never been released to video (all of the plays, again according to Ruth, have been taped as a record). Scott ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:25:50 -0500 From: David Hulan Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-01-98 LuVCHACHI: >I was wondering if anyone had any pre 1940 Oz books. I have two, (The Emerald >City of Oz & Kabumpo in Oz), and was curious if anyone else had any. Ok, BYE! I assume you mean copies printed pre-1940; most of the Oz books were published pre-1940. There are quite a few people on the Digest who have all 33 of the Oz books published pre-1940 in copies printed pre-1940. I don't, but I have some of them - WIZARD, OZMA, MAGIC, LOST KING, HUNGRY TIGER, GIANT HORSE, and PIRATES. I have 1sts of WONDER CITY, LUCKY BUCKY, MAGICAL MIMICS, and SHAGGY MAN, but those were all published in 1940 or later. Incidentally, could you sign your name to your posts? (A pseudonym would be fine if you don't want to give out your real one, but LuVCHACHI is a nuisance to type.) Steve: > This sounds suspiciously like Tedrow's "Dorothy--Return to Oz" which I >consider the worst Oz related book ever written (and I have read >"Barnstormer" "Wicked" and all of March Laumer). I hope this is not >the case. I assume you mean "worst" in the sense of "most un-Ozlike" rather than "worst written." I haven't read it, but I can't believe that the prose is worse than it is in some of the Buckethead books. Bear: >David - You left out 8-track tapes. I had a player in my Firebird. When I >sold the Firebird I couldn't give away the 8-tracks. I even know someone >who had lots of beta format video tapes. I didn't leave them out; I was listing music formats that I'd used myself, and I never used either 8-track or Beta format video. I didn't mention 16 2/3 rpm records or cylindrical recordings or DAT tapes either, because I never used them. Dave: >...what if >after blowing $1000 on a decent VCR there is a full-fledged DVD revolution >including the introduction of affordable *recordable* DVDs?? $1000 on a VCR? Surely you jest! You can get a VCR with all the bells and whistles anyone could possibly want for under $500, and can get a perfectly decent one for about $300. I've done my E-mail to your Lost Digester; if some of the others you requested to do so haven't (I know John Bell is traveling for the next week or so, for instance, and may not have E-mail access) let me know and I'll have a go at them as well. It's not as if it's any trouble, especially since I already have the message written and can just copy and paste to new recipients. David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:09:51 -0400 From: Richard Bauman Subject: Today's Oz Growls Sender: Richard Bauman Well..... since someone chose to pass my post to the Digest on to Hungry Tiger Press you might as well hear the unsolicited response that I received. Dear Mr. Bauman: A friend forwarded your complaint on the "Ozzy Digest" to us. I am sorry you were not pleased with the service. In the future, it might be advisable to address your complaints to the source--instead of letting "the source" discover there is a problem third-hand. Let me address your complaints: If your copy of Oz-story 4 arrived damaged you may of course return it and we will send you a new one. We have mailed out 1000s of copies over the last few years and only a handful have ever been damaged. We are most sorry yours was. We pack in rigid envelopes instead of padded envelopes because they are much better protection. Obviously no packaging is completly safe from the U.S. Postal Service. If you would like your copy autographed--you may always ask and we will be happy to accomodate you. Perhaps we should add a box to check on the order- form for customers would like their books signed. Actually we do have an E-mail address--and if you ordered your copy from us any advertising you received would have included it. It is also published twice in Oz-story 4. We are a very small publisher and it is frankly not a possibility to deal with an 800 number or credit-card sales. Both are too expensive for many small businesses. You may not be aware of it--but credit card sales cost the retailer a percentage plus account fees. So sadly there is not much we can do but accept snail-mail checks. I would point out that since we do our mailings before publication in most cases--a snail-mail check would be no slower than an electronic transfer. The books were mailed as soon as we had copies in hand. BTW-while I too am sometimes irritated by places that will not accept credit cards the "speed" is sometimes illusory. For instance if you ordered Oz-story from Amazon.com they would accept your credit-card number and then fax us; we would mail the book to them; they would then mail it to you! You would have actually recieved the book faster by dealing with the publisher directly even with snail-mail! And again in the case of Books of Wonder (one of our best customers) while they accept credit cards and have an 800 number they have not actually ordered any copies of Oz-story 4 yet; so again--only an illusion that electronic transfer is quicker. I didn't mean to go on so--if your copy was damaged please return it and we will send you a new one. If you would like it autographed that can be taken care of as well. Yours truly, David Maxine Hungry Tiger Press Tigerbooks@aol.com 1516 Cypress Avenue San Diego, CA 92103-4517 I hope this is useful and in addition, provides a caution that things sent to the Digest are not necessarily going to stay there. Regards, Bear ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:38:38 -0400 From: Tyler Jones Subject: oZ Sender: Tyler Jones David and Bear: Just wait until the cable modem standard battle starts! At last count, there are at least 29 companies working on this, and every one is incompatible with every other one. Liz: It appears that the original books are being swamped under even more than they really are by a stream of dark movies and books. Before long, they will become the "official" Oz series and the FF will vanish in a puff of smoke. Sigh. Dave: I'll handle the sending to Duglor until something can be worked out. I don't always log on every day, but I'll send it out each time I do. Tyler Jones ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 01:39:37 (PDT) From: Dave Hardenbrook Subject: Ozzy Things MORE LIZ IN OZ: Ted Nesi wrote: >Good grief! Elizabeth Taylor -- in Oz? "Dorothy on a Hot Tin Roof" ... >"TOrnado 8" ... "Who's Afraid of Ruggedo Woolf?" ... Also _Kabumpo Walk_, _Reflections in a Silver Slipper_, _Ozmapatra_, and _A Little Ozzy Music_... Let us pray... ROSE (AND POPPY?) PARADE: Scott Olsen wrote: >I don't know if this is "new" news, but I just read today that the theme for >the 1999 Rose Parade is "The Wizard of Oz" Quick! How do we lobby them to include a non-MGM, "Glorious Reign of Ozma" float??!! VCRS: David H.: >$1000 on a VCR? Surely you jest! You can get a VCR with all the bells and >whistles anyone could possibly want for under $500, and can get a perfectly >decent one for about $300. Really? Does a $500 VCR with all the bells and whistles have good picture quality, even in SLP/EP mode? And does anyone happen to know how much I'd have to pay for a VCR that can play either NTSC or PAL tapes? MISSING DIGESTS: Thanks to everyone who forwarded the Digests to the folks on the "bounce list"...Let's hope this problem can be resolved soon... DECISION '98: Well, I have put a new page up at my web site for members to vote on Ozzy issues, in this case, when we will discuss _Lost Princess_...Point your browsers to: http://people.delphi.com/DaveH47/OzVoteEP.html All the instructions are there. The results will be announced in Sunday's Digest. Please vote, this will be the official one that will decide the issue! -- Dave ====================================================================== -- Dave **************************************************************************** Dave Hardenbrook, DaveH47@delphi.com, http://people.delphi.com/DaveH47/ "I like to define humor as the affectionate communication of insight." -- Leo Rosten, introduction to _Oh K*A*P*L*A*N, My K*A*P*L*A*N_ ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, AUGUST 5 - 7, 1998 *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:24:08 -0500 (EST) From: better living through chemistry Subject: RE: Ozzy Digest, 08-04-98 Hello Oz friends, There is an interesting short article in the latest issue (September '98) of BIBLIO magazine that may be of interest to Oz book collectors. The article describes a June incident at BOOKS OF WONDER involving two book theives trying to pass on stollen children's books to Peter Glassmen. He was suspicious and took the initiative to phone around and establish that the book were indeed stolen. Great work, Peter! I find BIBLIO to be a wonderful magazine, covering a broad range of topics in book collecting, book collectors, authors, and book dealers. Cheers, Scott Cummings ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 12:20:05 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman Subject: ozzy digest John L. Bell, Dick Randolph, & David Hulan: Thanks for the Muchkincon reports -- enjoyed reading them. Mike Denio: Interesting information about independent bookdealers on the Web. I don't have Web access, but of the booksellers you mention have had dealings with Aleph-Bet and found them pleasant and helpful. Scott Hutchins: A couple of small disclaimers on infor about the Children's Theater Company -- living in the same area, I've seen the advertising for all their productions (barring a couple of years living in other places). I've seen all their Oz productions, and a sampling of their productions generally, but not all their productions. I am not sure how many of their productions have been taped as a record -- probably not the earliest ones -- but I've heard that they've been taping their shows for their records and assume that they've been doing that for quite a few years and have included all or most of the shows done during those years. Bear: Speaking of "Ozstory Magazine" #4 -- I haven't started reading my copy yet, but like you I'm impressed with the look of the issue. The cover is a reproduction in color of one of Neill's plates from "Peter and the Princess," a book that includes some of his most gorgeous color work. Tyler Jones: I doubt that the various "dark" Oz movies or books are going to swamp the originals. None of them has achieved anything like the popularity of the MGM movie. (The MGM movie really has, to some extent, swamped the books, but certainly not entirely.) Besides not being popular enough, they don't really form a "series" and so don't build on each other's achievements. With Books of Wonder/Morrow hb and Dover-pb making so many of the original series widely available, we're probably not going to see the original books swamped (any more than they are anyway by the MGM movie) anytime soon. I wonder if any of the IWOC officials on the Digest happen to know how much effect the club is starting to see in members coming in from reading BoW reprints? Ruth Berman ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:07:12 -0700 From: "Weisberg, Larry" Subject: SUBMISSION FOR: Ozzy Digest 08-05-98 Thank you for your kind words about my site. I will alter "The Annotated Oz" entry to better reflect the current market price. For all of us who have waited long enough for the new hardcover edition of "The Lost Princess of Oz," below please find a link that will get you your copy for only $16.80 + 3.95 (s&h) = $20.95 (this is $3.75 less than directly from "Books of Wonder"!). http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688149758/weisbeontheweb/002-8322727 -2190844 The book should ship on September 1 and discussions should be able to commence immediately following Labor Day! Ozzily yours... Larry Weisberg ldweisberg@geocities.com )|( (o o) ----------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo------------------------------- ------ "Welcome to Oz" http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Bungalow/2525/ Also consider visiting "WEISBERG on the WEB" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6188 ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 14:20:22 -0500 From: David Hulan Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-04-98 J.L.: >Adult quiz consisted of the question, "Where is >the quiz?", which was never answered. Nathan De Hoff had made up a quiz and sent it to Fred Meyer, but apparently there was miscommunication because Nathan had thought Fred would be making copies and sending them to Munchkins, and he didn't. I was disappointed, too; I'd have enjoyed taking the quiz. Speaking of quizzes, would it be of interest to any significant number of Digest folk for the various quizzes from the conventions to be posted somewhere on the Net? I don't think they should be included as part of the Digest itself, and since I don't have a Web site of my own I don't have a facility for posting them, but I'd be happy to make the two quizzes I made up this year (adult quiz for Ozmopolitan and Master's quiz for Winkies) available to anyone who'd like to post them. I also have a copy of the adult quiz from Winkies that I'd be willing to type in and make available. And maybe Nathan could add his missing quiz from Munchkins? If there were awards given for the Oz Research Table at Munchkins I missed them too. The energetic little girl named Emma is Jim Vander Noot's daughter; Jim was, I believe, a charter subscriber to the Digest, though he rarely posts anything except queries he gets from the IWOC Web page. Scott H.: > _Fantasia_ made it >but barely qualifies, as _The Sorcerer's Apprentice_, and, marginally, _A >Aight on Bald Mountain_ are the only narratives in the film, which >certainly does not stretch overall. I'd say that _Rite of Spring_ and _Dance of the Hours_ are about as much narrative as _Night on Bald Mountain_, which is to say not much. Bear: >I hope this is useful and in addition, provides a caution that things sent >to the Digest are not necessarily going to stay there. It practically goes without saying that anything that's distributed to 150+ people can't really be considered a private communication. I wouldn't forward something like that myself (though I did give you David Maxine's E-mail privately so you could get in touch with him if you cared to), but I wouldn't put something on the Digest that I was unwilling for anyone in the world to see. Tyler: >David and Bear: >Just wait until the cable modem standard battle starts! At last count, >there are at least 29 companies working on this, and every one is >incompatible with every other one. Which is why I won't be getting a cable modem any time soon, until the technology shakes out enough that I can be reasonably sure that I won't be stuck with an orphan. Dave: >Quick! How do we lobby them to include a non-MGM, "Glorious Reign of Ozma" >float??!! I don't know if the Tournament of Roses Committee would give out a list of organizations that are sponsoring floats or not, but if they would that would be the first step. Then write to all of them urging that they at least look at some of the books for themes that would be different from the general run of movie stuff. I do not, however, hold out a lot of hope for such an effort. >Really? Does a $500 VCR with all the bells and whistles have good picture >quality, even in SLP/EP mode? Yes. At least, it looks good to me; I don't know how picky you are. > And does anyone happen to know how much I'd >have to pay for a VCR that can play either NTSC or PAL tapes? No idea about that. I understand that PAL tapes will play on standard NTSC VCRs, but without color or sound. However, I haven't tried it. >DECISION '98: >Well, I have put a new page up at my web site for members to vote on >Ozzy issues, in this case, when we will discuss _Lost Princess_...Point >your browsers to: http://people.delphi.com/DaveH47/OzVoteEP.html >All the instructions are there. The results will be announced in >Sunday's Digest. Please vote, this will be the official one that >will decide the issue! I tried, but both attempts so far have crashed my computer. Maybe I'll try one more time after I send this off. David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:00:22 -0700 From: "A.E. Schaible" Subject: ozzy digest Ruth: Yes, the two watercolors were Rob's work. I was very hopeful to get something original since I missed out while Rob was at the Winkie conferences (being too young to buy anything noteworthy). I think they make a nice grouping together with a rough pencil sketch as they show different parts of the process Rob went through as an artist. They are of the farmhouse before it was transported. Atticus: Anything to save you from finishing _Road_? Why don't you like it? ;-) Liz Schaible ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:29:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Kiex@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-04-98 Ted N.: Rather than have Dave postpone discussing LOST PRINCESS, an alternative would be to read the text on one of the web pagfes that contains full text. Of course, that wouldn't help in quetsions about format... <> What kind of slippers?? Jeez! Ruth: Sounds like a reasonable method of breaking all ties . . . Post Office Blues: Chris Dulabone and I found similar problems back in '90 or '91 when I tried to send him the text of my manuscript (hard copy). He wrote back saying (more or less) that he found it "stuffed" in his mailbox, with packaging torn and dirty. Luckily he text was intact . . . Speaking of BoW: What is their web address? Quick to take a BoW myself, Jeremy Steadman http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/9619 ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:35:26 -0500 (EST) From: sahutchi@iupui.edu Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-04-98 Ted: _Number 13_ is an incomplete avant-garde animation by the magician and artist Harry Smith (1923?-1991). It was intended to be his only mainstream film, although it had strong ties to Buddhism and replaced the four lands of Oz with some strnage ones I don't remember specifically, except one was a land of flesh with pictures out of nudie (not porno) magazines. Most of the footage that exists is test footage in the archives which should be ready to show next year. Currently, the only portion available for screening, at the Harry Smith Archives in Manhattan for $25.00, is the 9 minute completed segment, _The Tin Woodsman's Dream_ (Woodsman--sic). Number 13 (1962) USA 1962 Color Produced by: Film Maker's Cooperative Production Genre/keyword: Animation / avant-garde / experimental Runtime: USA:108 Also Known As: Fragments of a Fate Forgotten (1962) Magic Mushroom People of Oz, The (1962) Oz (1962) Tin Woodsman's Dream, The (1962) Directed by Harry Smith (I) Written by L. Frank Baum (novel The Wonderful Wizard of Oz) Harry Smith (I) Cinematography by Stuart Reed Music by Charles Gounod (from "Faust") Production Design by W.W. Denslow (original artwork "The wonderful Wizard of Oz (1900)") Harry Smith (I) Produced by Elizabeth Taylor (executive) Arthur Young (II) (executive) Lionel Ziprin Other crew Harry Smith (I) .... animator Joanne Ziprin .... animator Nathan: I've read the script of _The Magic Book of Oz_, and it was a rather forgettable one (in script form) about an evil witch named scratch and a magic boot. It was told by a man to a young girl as a bedtime story, and ended with (of course) a party. Oz books written by someone else under a pseudonym? See above (Damon Z. Pythias) Scott ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:50:48 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman Subject: ozzy digest - a rinktink footnote Back in June Robin Olderman asked "Cor & Gos for Coregos. Prince Inga and Queen Garee for Pingaree. Why not King Pinga and Queen Garee, or something like that? I've always felt that Baum was quietly laughing up his sleeve about avoiding the more obvious set of names." J.L. Bell suggested: "Since Kitticut is the *first* ruler introduced in the book [p. 19, 1st/BoW edition], I suspect Baum didn't start to play with the shared syllables until after he named Kitticut." I was re-reading David L. Greene's article on "Baum's Later Oz Books" ("Bugle" vol. 16 #1), and noticed a bit of info probably relevant here. At one point there was a Queen Uaie in the story, and the publishers asked Baum to rename her, as they couldn't figure out how the name was meant to be pronounced; he said he would re-name her. So very likely both Kitticut and Uaie started out as names not tied to the kingdom's name, and it was when he needed to rename Uaie that he looked again at Cor and Gos and Inga and decided that sort of name would do for Queen Garee, too. Just as well he didn't tie himself down to doing it for everyone in the story, as poor Kitticut would have been much less dignified as a King Pinga -- not to mention as a Kingpin. Ruth Berman ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 07 Aug 98 12:59:10 (PDT) From: Dave Hardenbrook Subject: Ozzy Things DECISION '98: Just reminding everyone that you have until noon tomorrow (PDT) to vote... I'm hoping *someone* will break the 3-3 tie that's been there for two days now... David H. wrote: >I tried, but both attempts so far have crashed my computer. Maybe I'll try >one more time after I send this off. Any luck? Anyone else have this problem? MN CHILDREN'S THEATER: Ruth wrote: >A couple of small disclaimers on infor about the >Children's Theater Company...I am not sure >how many of their productions have been taped as a record -- Of course, no one's said they have the last word, but according to Internet Movie Database, _Land_ is the only one. I remeber seeing an article about the MN Children's Theater Company in _Smithsonian_ years ago. Does anyone have/remember it? (It was mostly about their production of _Alice in Wonderland_ IIRC but I remember some photos from _Land_ as well.) VIDEOS: I was doing an "Oz" search on the Internet Movie Database, and I came across the video documentary, _Oz: The American Fairyland_. Is that the one that costs more than the whole of Ozma's palace? One thing I notice is their listing of Ken Page as the Cowardly Lion... I recognize that name because he originated the the role of Old Deuteronomy in the Broadway production of _Cats_, and he will be reviving the role in the upcoming video version. VCRS: David wrote: >No idea about that. I understand that PAL tapes will play on standard NTSC >VCRs, but without color or sound. However, I haven't tried it. I have. They won't. (The picture is scrambled and PAL tapes apparently run slower than NTSC because the audio sounded like Munchkins.) -- Dave ====================================================================== -- Dave **************************************************************************** Dave Hardenbrook, DaveH47@delphi.com, http://people.delphi.com/DaveH47/ "I like to define humor as the affectionate communication of insight." -- Leo Rosten, introduction to _Oh K*A*P*L*A*N, My K*A*P*L*A*N_ ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, AUGUST 8 - 9, 1998 *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:41:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Anthony Donajkowski Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-07-98 dave you ddint post my note abotu your story RED DWARF IN OZ available for reading now at the power star site http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/1460 as well as reviews of the dark oz mini series by arrowcomics ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:27:31, -0500 From: NQAE93A@prodigy.com (MR ROBERT J COLLINGE) Subject: Ozzy Digest, 08-07-98 David Hulan wrote: >Speaking of quizzes, would it be of interest to any significant number of Digest folk for the various quizzes from the conventions to be posted somewhere on the Net?< I think that would be a great idea. Many of us can not make the conventions, and this would allow us to take part. We had a quiz on the Baum books and one on the MGM movie at the Oz Fiesta in April that I would be glad to send to someone to post as well. Bob C. ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:47:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Anthony Donajkowski Subject: more liz oz news 02:37 PM ET 08/07/98 Elizabeth Taylor wanted for yellow brick road By Mark Egan LOS ANGELES, (Reuters) - Elizabeth Taylor may be following the yellow brick road as a grown-up Dorothy if veteran actor Rod Steiger succeeds in his wish to make a sequel to one of the most popular movies ever, ``The Wizard of Oz.'' Steiger told Reuters Friday Taylor was interested in playing a 60-year old Dorothy in the sequel, reviving the role played by Judy Garland in the original. The film, tentatively titled ``Somewhere,'' has been put on ice since Taylor hurt her back in a fall at her Bel Air home earlier this year. ``I took the script to Ms. Taylor and said she might do it and then she got ill,'' Steiger said in an interview. ``So the whole thing is up in the air at the moment. Steiger, who won an Oscar in 1967 for ``In the Heat of the Night,'' said he would likely play the Scarecrow in the film and may even direct the project. ``I would probably play the Scarecrow but none of the characters are like they are in the original movie. She meets people with the personal problems of the characters in the original Oz,'' he said. Rumors have been rife in Hollywood in recent weeks that Steiger and Taylor were an item. ``The tabloids had a romance going between us but since she's in a brace, romantic things can't happen easily,'' he said adding, ``This woman is trying to get her back fixed, she strained or broke her back. It would be very difficult to go out dancing.'' Taylor fell in the bedroom of her Bel Air home on Feb. 27 as she was preparing to celebrate her 66th birthday and suffered a slight compression fracture in her lower back. The actress, who won Academy Awards for ``Butterfield 8'' in 1960 and ``Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?'' in 1966, has a long history of medical problems. Last year she had brain surgery to remove a benign tumor the size of a golf ball. She has has had both hips replaced, she nearly died of complications from a respiratory illness in 1990 and she also has been treated for dependency on painkilling drugs. Taylor has not acted on the big screen in the past decade, spending most of her time in recent years campaigning for charities. Steiger disappeared from acting in the early 1980s when he fell victim to a depression which debilitated him for nearly a decade. In recent years he has slowly rebuilt his career appearing in as many movies as one of the hardest working actors in Hollywood. In June, ``The Wizard of Oz,'' made in 1939, was named the sixth best American film of all time by the American Film Institute. The film followed a Kansas girl's dreams of a fantasy land after a tornado hit the farm where she lived. ^REUTERS@ ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 21:13:30 -0400 From: Richard Bauman Subject: Today's Oz Growls Sender: Richard Bauman Larry Weisberg - There is a great book store in my town called Future Fantasy. It only carries sci fi, fantasy and mysteries. They have regular signings and give you $10 off every time you reach $100 in purchases. They sell through the net at http://futfan.com/ I buy most of my books there. Why? I could save a few bucks on some of them at Barnes and Noble, Borders or Crown if they carried them. I could probably save a few bucks at Amazon if I wanted to buy sight unseen. My reason is that they are nice people, carry what I want, have it where I can see it, and charge a reasonable price. If they and the last few independents go out of business you will get to buy what some cluck at Barnes and Noble decides will sell the most. That is why I will continue to support Books of Wonder similarly even though it may cost me a couple of bucks more. Some things are more important than a couple of bucks. *************SUPPORT INDEPENDENT BOOKSELLERS AND PUBLISHERS*********** Dave - Where do you get tapes in PAL (European) format? And, why do you get them? Dave - Your address for voting wasn't accepted by Delphi. So this is what I did. I went to Delphi and asked for Oz. That gave me a long list and you are 51. on the list. Once in your web page I entered your voting address. That took me to the voting page. Regards, Bear (:<) ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 23:38:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ozmama@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-07-98 In a message dated 98-08-07 17:06:02 EDT, you write: << <> What kind of slippers?? Jeez! >> The slippers were, I think, the highlight of the ensemble. Herm made them out of some old slippers and--are ya ready for this?--duct tape. They were awesome! Ruth wrote:<> That's an interesting way to look at it. Thanks! ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:25:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Kiex@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-07-98 Quizzes on the Web: Good idea! I know I only see the quizzes that are published in the Bugle and other IWOC publications (since I've still yet to make it to a convention--maybe when I can drive) (yes, I am really 21, but it's a long story). For that reason (the few quizzes I see, that is), I think putting it on the web would be a great idea. Quizzically, Jeremy Steadman ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 13:54:25 -0500 From: David Hulan Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-07-98 Jeremy: ><costume contest dressed as Dorothy, complete with ruby slippers and Toto in >basket.>> > >What kind of slippers?? Jeez! Actually they were, I believe, high-top sneakers covered with red duct tape. (I know they were covered with red duct tape; I'm not sure what the starting point was.) >Speaking of BoW: >What is their web address? I don't think they have a Web address, though they have an E-mail address (but I don't recall what it is; I think Peter G. gave it in a post on the Digest not long ago). Dave: >David H. wrote: >>I tried, but both attempts so far have crashed my computer. Maybe I'll try >>one more time after I send this off. > >Any luck? Anyone else have this problem? I was successful in getting to your vote site, but when I tried to vote nothing happened, as far as I could tell. At least, the button didn't flash and there was no acknowledgement of the vote. Maybe it worked after all, though. David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 09 Aug 98 18:25:50 (PDT) From: Dave Hardenbrook Subject: Ozzy Things MORE LIZ IN OZ: Mark quoted from _Reuters_: >The film, tentatively titled ``Somewhere,'' has been put on ice... Let's hope it stays there... BEAR: >I went to Delphi and asked for Oz. That gave me a long list and >you are 51. on the list. I did the same thing, and find that I've gone down a notch to 52. "Oz" in the minds of the general public seems to mean: 1. Australia 2. A TV Series about a prison 3. A 1939 MGM movie starring Judy Garland 4. A series of children's fantasy books In that order...Sigh. Jellia: On the other hand, one can't tell if Delphi's search engine displays its results in order of relevence... DECISION '98 -- THE POLLS ARE NOW CLOSED!: Final results: When should discussion of _The Lost Princess of Oz_ commence? Monday, August 10, 1998 (6) 43% Tuesday, September 1, 1998 (8) 57% 14 Total Votes So it is now offical: Discussion of _The Lost Princess of Oz_ will begin on Tuesday, September 1. -- Dave ====================================================================== -- Dave **************************************************************************** Dave Hardenbrook, DaveH47@delphi.com, http://people.delphi.com/DaveH47/ "I like to define humor as the affectionate communication of insight." -- Leo Rosten, introduction to _Oh K*A*P*L*A*N, My K*A*P*L*A*N_ ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, AUGUST 10 - 11, 1998 *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 01:53:21 -0400 (EDT) From: HermBieber@aol.com Subject: For Ozzy Digest Oz Theme Park Moving Closer To Reality The latest issue of Ingraham's Magazine features the proposed Oz Theme Park near Kansas City. Three local sites there are vying for the $590 million dollar project. This will create 7,500 jobs in the KC Metropolitan area, and add $240 million to the Gross Regional Product. 3.2 million visitors are projected for the first year of operation. Apparently capital is in hand, and the project is a go with ground breaking in April 1999. Opening is projected for 2001. Too bad it isn't a year earlier! Initial plans are to have the customers enter the Gale Farmhouse. Then, when the house is full, the doors close, and the house shakes and spins (?) in a simulated tornado. When the doors reopen, the visitors exit into Munchkinland, and begin their journey down the Yellow Brick Road. Herm Bieber ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 01:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: HermBieber@aol.com Subject: For Ozzy Digest Jeremy, <> Since I have wide (3E) feet, I was unable to find red slippers in a suitable size. So the ones worn by "big, ugly Dorothy" were made by covering an old pair of my slippers with red duct tape. Another new use for duct tape! Herm Bieber ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 15:14:23 -0400 From: Richard Randolph Subject: Ozzy Digest 8-7-98 Larry Weisberg: Thanks for the tip on saving $3.75 on Lost Princess by ordering from Amazon Books. But I'll take the loss and support Peter Glassman/Books of Wonder and order from them. They've done a fine job keeping Oz alive for us. Amazon just sells books. Dick ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 15:58:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Ozmama@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-09-98 Quizzes: Don't forget the Oz Game Book. It has quizzes, etc. in it. Order through the Club's website. ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:14:05 -0700 From: Barbara Johnson Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-09-98 Just home from the L. Frank Baum/Wizard of Oz Festival here in Aberdeen... The tents are gone.. everyone gone home and we are savoring tons of pleasant memories of Mickey Carroll and Meinhart Raabe....and their way with the children of Aberdeen... I'm sure Bea Premack will be posting more on the weekend... But.. we had a very successful Chautauqua program with Dr. Mark I. West of the University of North Carolina --Charlotte speaking on Baum's animal fairy tales... especially the tale of the gopher and the buffalo... Nancy T. Koupal spoke about Frank's mythmaking in his duel on Main Street... and I spoke for over an hour on Baum's Saturday Pioneer and its coverage of Native Americans... including the genocide editorials. The performance of some of Frank's music.. and the tunes of his times was wonderful... and the Victorian Quartet's rendition of Tik Tok Man brought down the house... The Scream Waltz was also a crowd pleaser! Thanks to Steven Teller and others for providing us the list of some of Baum's tunes.. I'm feeling like I've been run over like a truck now that I'm finally sitting down...I was the emcee in the Chautauqua tent... but.. it was a good festival... and we missed those from the International Wizard of Oz Club who were unable to come... We set up the stage to look like Frank's parlor .. with a piano and some antiques...including my husband's grandmother's wedding gown.. which she wore in about 1890... about the time Frank was here in Aberdeen.... We also had interpretive performances by people playing L. Frank Baum (Rod Eveans), Maud Gage (Leann Frederickson) and Sairy Ann Bilkins (Our Landlady)... Jan Pearson, a local college professor was absolutely wonderful as Mrs. Bilkins... and another retired professor, Leonard Palmquist wrote a stunning script that incorporated quotes from Our Landlady with the music... and told the story of the times in Aberdeen.. Wish you could have all seen it! It was smashing! Mickey and Meinhart are just super! We feel so honored to have had them here in town.... More reports later.. I'm nodding off at the computer I'm so tired!!! Barbara -- Barbara Johnson, Ph.D. barbarajohnson@midco.net 511 South Arch Street Aberdeen, South Dakota 605-229-5988 ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 20:24:22 -0400 (EDT) From: LuVCHACHI@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-09-98 In a message dated 8/9/98 3:11:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DaveH47@delphi.com writes: << 1. Australia 2. A TV Series about a prison 3. A 1939 MGM movie starring Judy Garland 4. A series of children's fantasy books In that order...Sigh. >> That's really sad. I mean just the fact that the book series is last. ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 23:30:11 -0400 From: "John L. Bell" Subject: not much about Oz Sender: "John L. Bell" Scott Hutchins wrote about MAGIC BOOK OF OZ: <> Thus we learn a valuable lesson about dealing with creative artists. Until you know them well, say nothing rather than share criticism, even in the mildest way. In your film-studies career, you'll no doubt develop a broad repertoire of ways to evade those questions without being dishonest. You: "I heard about your movie. May I please see a copy?" Creator: "What did you hear?" You: "Lots--everyone was talking about it." Creator: "What were they saying?" You: "That I've got to see it!" Actors have various things to say to a friend backstage after seeing an awful play. My favorite is Jack Lemmon's "You! You! You, you, you!" said while shaking his head in amazement and giving a big hug that precludes further conversation. Thanks for your review of this video's script. It seems to contain both a "magic book" and a "magic boot." Ruth Berman: <> I agree, in large part because the dark versions derive most of their power from our knowledge of the originals. It's no fun showing Dorothy as a crone-killer or the Tin Woodman as a hatchet man if your audience doesn't have benevolent images of these characters embedded in their minds. Among satires and dark versions, the only examples I can think of that have outlasted the originals are Lewis Carroll's and Hilaire Belloc's parodies of instructive verse ("Speak sharply to your little boy, and beat him when he sneezes..."). Dave Hulan, your idea of posting Oz quiz questions on the Web sounds fun; you may want to run the idea past Peter Hanff, too. I recall the BUGLE selecting the "best" of the conventions' quiz questions and publishing them each year. I mention this only because I've learned how there are beloved guardians of such traditions within the club who might complain to Peter if all the answers are given away on the Web first. Nathan DeHoff, will your lost questions now be the 1999 Munchkin Quiz? After all, no one has succeeded you as adult winner. Jeremy Steadman wrote: <> As the script for REPO MAN declares, "The more you drive, the less intelligent you are." I didn't become licensed until I was 21 and had to get to work in under two hours. And look what it's done to my brainpower: I think it's a fun idea to drive for two weeks at a time, visiting such places as tonight's locale, historic Lockport, NY. Dave Hardenbrook wrote: <> I'm lodging a protest about the unconscionable lack of absentee ballot procedures for people who are a few miles out of the country and otherwise off the Web during the barely adequate voting period of--what? The votes for delay won? Never mind. J. L. Bell JnoLBell@compuserve.com ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:51:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "W. R. Wright" Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest Cc: Ozmama@aol.com, daveh47@delphi.com At 09:56 PM 8/9/98 EDT, you wrote: >Now I am confused! I thought it was either Bill or Danny Wall I was supposed >to be sending it to, so I forwarded it to both and Danny wrote that he's >having no problems getting them directly. Either of you still have the one >around with the original who-sends-to-who list in it? Let me know. I'll get >it right eventually.... Jane > Jane, Here is a repeat of the message that I just sent to Robin, so you know what the apparent root of the problem is. I'm really happy to be getting the Digest again thanks to the both of you. However, it would reduce the extra work for one of you if only one sends the Digest. Any ideas? regards, Bill ------------------message copy follows------ Robin, My ISP wont accept anything at all from delphi.com. Seems they have been black listed as a source of spamming. So that is why a lot of Oz Digest members cannot receive the digest. It doesn't have anything to do with the length of the digest email message. The ISP servers are configured to reject any email that has a source of delphi.com. So this blacklisting problem needs to be fixed by delphi changing its policies on what it allows its subscribers to do thru their service. regrds, Bill ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:19:07 -0400 From: Jim Vander Noot Subject: South Winkie Convention Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Has anyone received a flyer for the upcoming South Winkie Convention? If so, would you please e-mail the Oz Club (events@ozclub.org) with the addresses and phone numbers for the convention chairmen and/or registration/information? Also, if it's possible to send a copy of the flyer by e-mail, that would be wonderful. Or perhaps fax to me at 609-342-6050, or perhaps snail mail to me at 112 Bryn Mawr Ave, Bala Cynwyd, PA 19004. Thanks in advance! Sincerely, Jim Vander Noot The International Wizard of Oz Club http://www.neosoft.com/~iwoc ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:28:23 -0500 (EST) From: sahutchi@iupui.edu Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-07-98 > >Really? Does a $500 VCR with all the bells and whistles have good picture > >quality, even in SLP/EP mode? Consumer Reports did not give any Hi-fi stereo (or mono) VCRs better than the halfway mark for EP/SLP tapes. I don't tape much off TV anymore, and try to avoid EP and LP tapes if another copy is available, even if not readily (eg Murch's RTO, which is now not available at all). > No idea about that. I understand that PAL tapes will play on standard NTSC > VCRs, but without color or sound. However, I haven't tried it. They play sped-up with no picture. It's SECAM (France that plays PAL tapes that way. I have a PAL tape with bootlegs of Dario Argento's _Phenomena_ and _Four Flies on Grey Velvet_ (available truncated and not at all in the U.S., respectively) > VIDEOS: > I was doing an "Oz" search on the Internet Movie Database, and I came > across the video documentary, _Oz: The American Fairyland_. Is that the > one that costs more than the whole of Ozma's palace? $59.95 wouldn't pay for a palace like Ozma's, especially in a land without money... > > One thing I notice is their listing of Ken Page as the Cowardly Lion... > I recognize that name because he originated the the role of Old Deuteronomy > in the Broadway production of _Cats_, and he will be reviving the role in > the upcoming video version. He appears in multiple photographs with the rest of the cast of the Roseanne production. Did I tell everyone I found the Rankin-Bass RTO at a Flea Market? Scott ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:51:36 -0400 From: Mark K DeJohn Subject: Ozzy Digest Sender: Mark K DeJohn From: Barbara DeJohn Hi All !!! I could not get into Compuserve for 2 weeks so I am catching up. (My husband did something) I would love for the Munchkin Con to be moved to Hershey, PA. It is a lovely area, the town smells like chocolate, the lightpost lights are shaped like Hershey kisses and Hershey park is a nice amusement park with the best soft ice-cream I have ever tasted. (Have I raved enough?) It doesn't hurt that it would be alot closer for me. Who do I send my vote to? (Is it a democracy?) I received a nice letter from Fred Meyer congratulating me on winning the Winkie Con Quiz. I am to send him my quiz for next year by May so that he can compile questions for the Bugle. He said one of this years favorites was : On Dorothy's first visit to Oz, Who entered the Emerald City, talked with her, and left without wearing green glasses? Good one, huh ? Ozzily, Barbara DeJohn ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:49:53 -0500 From: David Hulan Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-09-98 Well, a couple of people indicated interest in Oz quizzes on the Web, but nobody volunteered a site for posting them. Maybe one of these days I'll get my act together and make myself a Web site so I can post them myself, but that's not likely to happen for a few months. Bear: I second your recommendation to support independent bookstores, though I think you're too pessimistic in describing them as "the few remaining." The last article I saw on the subject (a couple of months ago in the Trib) said that well over half the book sales in the country are still through independents. But the big chains are definitely taking a bite out of the independents' profits, although I did hear that one of them (Crown) had gone into Chapter 11 recently. I always shop first at the local independent, but if they don't carry the book I'm after then I'll check at Borders (which at least does carry my book) and eventually go to Amazon, which seems to carry just about everything. Of course, I buy Oz books (and other Oz material) from BoW directly. Which reminds me, I need to call in my order for their reprint of _Lost Princess_. David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:27:38 -0500 From: jwkenne@ibm.net Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 07-02-98 Mike "Shaggy Man" Turniansky wrote: >Yehoshua or Yeshua => Iesus => Jesus when further >translated into King James' English, since English didn't like that vowel >cluster >at the beginning. King James had nothing to do with it; he was a few centuries too late. In medieval Latin, the name was spelled "Jesus", but pronounced (almost) as in Greek, but various phonetic shifts in English ended up with the current English pronunciation. **** I can say, having read all of them, that the "Aunt Jane's Nieces" series is _much_ better and _much_ more interesting than you (all of you who haven't read them) think. **** Three notes on the Munchkin Con. 1) It's _Eleanor_ Kennedy 2) The -- errr -- metaphysical gentleman was, I understand, a very-last-minute substitute for a substitute. 3) Research-Table prizes weren't given because no judges could be found. Since Eleanor and I were almost the last people to leave, we got handed the baby at Noon on Sunday. We're nearly done (one full-length novel in there....) and hope to pass on our votes today. (It had better be today -- we're leaving for two weeks in the UK tonight.) // John W Kennedy ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Aug 98 18:04:35 (PDT) From: Dave Hardenbrook Subject: Ozzy Things I thought you'd all like to see the reply I received from Delphi regarding this "Bounced Digests" problem: ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:41:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Delphi Internet Services Subject: Re: Mail problem To: DaveH47@delphi.com X-VMS-To: IN%"DaveH47@delphi.com" X-VMS-Cc: SERVICE Hello, On the Internet, there are many people who send huge volumes of unsolicited e-mail, also known as "spam." They route their spam through others' computers to make it easier to send and to hide their identity somewhat. We call this Transit Spam. The sites which allow Transit Spam might fix their systems to block transit spam. Delphi has done this, to a degree. The majority of transit spam given to Delphi is deleted and not delivered. However, enough Transit Spam has gone through Delphi's computers in the past to where Delphi is on a "Black List" of sites which "allow" transit spam, the RBL or RealTime Blackhole List, at: http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ Many Internet sites have chosen to limit their Spam exposure by refusing mail from any site on the RBL. This is their choice. Delphi does not refuse INBOUND mail from RBL sites, but controls spam targetted at Delphi members by more sophisticated approaches. However, Delphi members often cannot have their OUTBOUND mail delivered to sites which block RBL addresses. This is a problem. Who is to blame? What is the solution? You might blame the spammers, their Internet providers which allow spammers, the transit spam sites for allowing free use of their equipment, the endpoint provider for not filtering the spam in less brutal ways, or the end user for not being willing to simply delete or filter all spam locally. Obviously placing the blame doesn't help solve the problem. What's the solution? In the short term, you might route your e-mail differently. If you're sending mail to X.COM, say, then temporarily set your mail program to use X.COM as your SMTP server. X.COM might permit inbound e-mail directly from you (it depends on how you connect to the Internet and what your IP address is at that time). You might also ask your contacts to ask their provider to use a less brutal form of Spam control. Or, your contacts might open a mailbox elsewhere where you CAN deliver. In the longer term, Delphi is working on making its control of transit spam "airtight". Delphi will then be eligible to be removed from RBL. We're working on this, but we can't promise a timeframe at this point. I hope this helps. -Ron Delphi ----------------------------- Of course it *doesn't* help, but I guess I know where I stand now... In the meantime, I'll have to ask the Digest-forwarding to continue or maybe we should direct people to David Levitan's archive...(Are *you* getting the Digest OK now David?) -- Dave ====================================================================== -- Dave **************************************************************************** Dave Hardenbrook, DaveH47@delphi.com, http://people.delphi.com/DaveH47/ "I like to define humor as the affectionate communication of insight." -- Leo Rosten, introduction to _Oh K*A*P*L*A*N, My K*A*P*L*A*N_ ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, AUGUST 12 - 14, 1998 *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Ozmama@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-11-98 In a message dated 98-08-11 22:27:27 EDT, you write: << Dave Hulan, your idea of posting Oz quiz questions on the Web sounds fun; you may want to run the idea past Peter Hanff, too. I recall the BUGLE selecting the "best" of the conventions' quiz questions and publishing them each year. >> Fred Meyer and an assistant usually do this job for the _Bugle_. I did it with him for many years. Jim VanderNoot also worked with us on it. I believe Steve Teller is now working with Fred on the _Bugle_ quiz. Please do NOT use questions from the current year's convention quizzes here on the _Digest_. John is correct that it would sorta mess things up for the _Bugle_. Thanks. ===== Poor Bill in Ozlo! What confusion! Not to worry. It's easy enough for me to continue forwarding to you...as long as your ISP doesn't decide to reject AOL! --Robin ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:27:52 +0000 From: Scott Olsen Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-11-98 Herm wrote: "Since I have wide (3E) feet, I was unable to find red slippers in a suitable size. So the ones worn by "big, ugly Dorothy" were made by covering an old pair of my slippers with red duct tape. Another new use for duct tape! When I was much younger than I am now there was a time I used to fix Oz books with duct tape..... Barbara DeJohn wrote: "On Dorothy's first visit to Oz, Who entered the Emerald City, talked with her, and left without wearing green glasses?" Was it the King of the Winged Monkeys? Rose Parade news: The newspaper article didn't state whether the theme was movie, books, or both related. I wouldn't be surprised to see some book theme floats. Sometimes I think we give the series too little credit. After all, Winnie the Pooh is probably best known as a Disney cartoon, Mary Poppins is a Julie Andrews' movie, Scarlett and Rhett are Vivian Leigh and Clark Gable, and so on and so on. Is Oz lucky (or cursed?) with the fact that a classic motion picture was made based on the first book in the series? Would it have been better for Oz if the picture would have never been made (or not as popular)? Would it have been better if a poor, forgotten, motion picture had been made? Speaking of which, anyone remember _The Lord of the Rings_ movie that ended about 2/3 of the way through the story? Sincerely, Scott Olsen ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:48:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Ozisus@aol.com Subject: Oz 2000+ Feedback about the IWOC kids' paper, The Oz Gazette, says readers enjoy Baum and Thompson short fiction in it. I don't have much short enough that I haven't already used. If any of you have any short stories, songs, poems, etc. that are fairly uncommon (as opposed to a chapter in an Oz book, for instance), and appropriate for kids, please send them my way. I'd welcome the help. Ruth contributed the Thompson piece about Charms in the last issue. My thanks, again, to her. Scott mentioned a video tape that he'll loan to the hospitality suite at the Oz Centennial Celebration. (THANKS!!) For those who don't know, I'm anxiously seeking reading copies of anything and everything Ozzy we can stash in a particularly inviting, spacious suite at the hotel. Lots of book shelves, a baby grand piano and a side room with a TV/VCR. So books, sheet music and video tapes that can be shared would be welcome. I suspect we should stick to marginal-value material (library rebound books, for example) that won't present too much temptation to the sticky fingered; I can't offer guarantees about loss or damage. Contributions that could be sold at the conclusion of the event instead of returned to you will be even easier for us to deal with. E-mail me off the digst about anything you could contribute and I'll gladly add it to my list. I already have a complete run of Baum Bugles, Oziana and quite a few Oz and Oz-related books. Photo copies of sheet music would be a huge help if anyone has a bunch and can do that for us. All I have along that line is a 1950s reprint of the Father Goose Song Book, The Wiz Song Book and a few pieces of sheet music. Speaking of contributions, thanks to a generous sponsor, the private reception at the Lilly Library for Oz 2000 attendees went from a bring-your-own-cookies and there's-the-water-fountain event to Emerald City Wine and actual finger food. (Don't overreact, all you horrofied tea totallers. We'll have a non- alcoholic beverage, too. Quote the Rachel: "Oz is for kids!"....) Unless I'm miscalculating, we may even be able a touch of music to the evening. For a fabulous start, plan to arrive on day one -- Thursday, July 20, 2000. I'm thrilled that plans for the event are capturing the interest of those who can make it wonderful through either program or financial contributions. I put together far too many words about it for the Autumn Oz Observer. If you aren't an IWOC member and want to get involved, e-mail me. This is certainly not an IWOC-exclusive event. I hope every Oz fan will want to join the celebration. You're all welcome, and you'll all have a blast! As to seeing MGM on The Big Screen, what makes it a joy for me are the little girls in the audience squeeling "Look Mommy, a fairy princess!" when Billie Burke shows up. Theater acoustics add significantly to the experience. Nonetheless, it is not where I will be spending Christmas day, regardless of what enticing companionship might surface in the Kansas City area... Nothing personal, I have other priorities every Dec. 25. :) (I now resist the urge to launch into a lengthy discussion about my Christian faith out of consideration for those who read the Digest for its Ozzy content. -- You're welcome.) Speaking of which, at the risk of insulting many of you, perhaps the lack of interest in voting on the Lost Princess start date reflects the number of people who are actually interested in such discussions? Final note, the McVeigh collection prices realized have been posted. The URL is: http://209.24.125.82/prices/lot165.html I hadn't seen it on the Digest and wanted to let anyone interested know. Jane Albright ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:48:54 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman Subject: ozzy digest Barbara Johnson: Thanks for the Aberdeen festival report -- enjoyed. John L. Bell: Yes, Carroll certainly swamped Isaac Watts, and the rest. (Well, most of them. Wordsworth's "Resolution and Independence" still gets read on its own.) Of course, Carroll's victims were a lot more swampable than Baum (or Wordsworth). If Carroll hadn't come along, Watts and his like would be almost complete forgotten, now, instead of being read by at least all the readers of Martin Gardner's "Annotated Alice." (Whether that would be any consolation to them is another question!) Barbara DeJohn: Selecting convention sites for fan-run cons is never entirely democratic, because a site that might otherwise be attractive to con-goers cannot be used unless there are some people interested in volunteering to do the work of putting on the con who live reasonably near the site. If you have access to a copy of the IWOC list of members, you might want to take a look at the Pennsylvania listings and see if there are people near Hershey who have been taking part in previous Munchkincons. (Lessee -- if you had a con in Hershey, you might feel obliged to have a program theme for Mo, Merryland, Sugarloaf Mountain, Neill's Lolly-Pop Village and Chocolate Soldiers, not to mention Ruth Plumly Thompson's Charms Candy ads, which aren't well known, having appeared anonymously in the Philadelphia "Public Ledger," but I reprinted them last year as part of a "Dunkiton" pamphlet. Perhaps the Hershey people could supply Chocolate Soldiers?) Ruth Berman ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:39:24 -0500 From: Bea & Herschel Premack Subject: Ozzy Digest X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Report on the Aberdeen LFB Oz Festival: It all went very well!!!! and the weather was good! The events were all good and not sure where to start. Mark West's talks on the Role of Native American Legend in Baum's work were most interesting. Nancy Koupal's "The Oz Man's Tales:Showdown on Main Street" led us into stories about Baum and the times.. It was neat. Barb Johnson brought new information from her reading of the microfilm of the Saturday Pioneer. Our newspaper publisher, Billie Smith, moderated a discussion of the controversial editorials and the Native American issues of the time. This was followed by Native Dancers and their stories. Our LFB characters of both L Frank and Maum came off well. The Road to Oz play was presented 3 times to great audiences....next year we hope to do a production of Tic Toc Man.... It was great fun having 2 munchkins here: Mickey Carrol and Meinhardt Rabbe. What crowd pleasers. Meinhardt stayed at our home and he was a treat. We were pleased with the roving performers, childrens crafts and games, storytellers, puppet theater, musical performances, etc etc. There was continuous activity in 5 tents and along the park grounds...too much to summarize. If anyone would like a program with all of the activites listed, I would be happy to send them. We are planning for the same weekend next year...Aug 7 and 8... Missed having someone from the Digest but hope that several of you (or all of you) will come in the future. We did have a Mom and son come all the way from Germany and they are planning on coming next year. Will answer any questions anyone might have. Bea ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:20:40 -0400 From: Lisa Bompiani Subject: Ozzy Digest Hello, I'm really tired of this house jumping! I'm beginning to feel like MGM Dorothy ("There's no place like home!"). Right now, I'd settle for one. But I do have to say, my parents are being very generous by letting me crash here for awhile. This internet thing amazes them, though. Well, I haven't been able to find the LP yet, but I've ordered the one from BOW so that I should get it soon. I tried to get to my copy in storage, but all that happened was a black and blue forehead from a bookcase popping me in the head. If the discussion starts without me, may I ask questions when I catch up? Wow! I can't wait until I can afford to travel to these conventions! They sound like so much fun, and I feel like I'm missing out on such a big part of Oz. I appreciate the updates. Well, I'm off to work. Until next time, Peace & Love, Bompi ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:38:29 -0500 From: David Hulan Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-11-98 Barbara J.: The Aberdeen festival sounds as if it was very good. Maybe I can make it next year, though a lot will depend on how busy my wife is at work and whether something like that sounds to her as if it's worth taking some time off for. I don't think I'd want to drive that far by myself. LuVCHACHI: >That's really sad. I mean just the fact that the book series is last. That was just Dave's pessimistic assessment. It may be the case that that's the relative number of sites referring to Oz on Delphi, but I think you'll find that in the overall public perception the book series is second only to the MGM movie in recognition value. And certainly the movie is way ahead of either Australia or the TV prison series in public recognition. J.L.: > Among satires and dark versions, the only examples I can think of that >have outlasted the originals are Lewis Carroll's and Hilaire Belloc's >parodies of instructive verse ("Speak sharply to your little boy, and beat >him when he sneezes..."). I think that's "Speak roughly...", but yes, some of those parodies have outlasted the originals - mostly, probably, because the originals were so Bad. I suspect there are others that may well also outlast the originals, but the parodies are recent enough that there hasn't been time to tell. Will Fraser's Flashman books, for instance, last? They aren't Immortal Literature, but they're a lot more readable than George Barr McCutcheon or Anthony Hope Hodgson (or whatever his name was - author of PRISONER OF ZENDA) or Baroness Orczy or the other authors he's parodying. I guess there is some possibility that posting the quiz questions and answers on the Web would be seen as interfering with the annual "Best" collection in the Bugle, though I wonder how many Bugle readers would be likely to see such a Web site? (I'm not talking about posting it on the IWOC site, after all.) And the quizzes are hardly Top Secret material once they've been given. What do people who know Fred Meyer well think his reaction would be? (I doubt if anyone else would mind.) I suppose I could ask him before I do anything about it. Barb: I think it's already been decided that next year's Munchkin convention is going to be in or near Hershey. IIRC Bill Stillman is the chairman, so he'd be the one to contact. His E-mail is TheBBugle@aol.com. But I know he's moving house around now, so it would probably be better to wait a couple of months until he's settled in at his new place. >He said one of this years favorites was : On Dorothy's first >visit to Oz, Who entered the Emerald City, talked with her, and >left without wearing green glasses? Good one, huh ? I wonder which quiz that one was in? I remember it from one several years ago (and I got it at the time), but it wasn't in either quiz at Ozmopolitan, either adult quiz at Winkies, or the children's quiz at Munchkins (which was the same as the children's quiz at Ozmopolitan). So unless it was in a different children's quiz at Winkies, or Nathan's lost quiz from Munchkins, I think it wasn't from this year. A couple of other good ones of Fred's (at least, he's the one I first heard them from) from past years: Other than Aunt Em, who is the only adult female from America to settle in Oz? What character that Dorothy first met in Oz also visited her in Kansas? A couple of mine from this year: What character plays a prominent role in the first two Oz books but is never mentioned in the text of another book? In which book is Ozma depicted wearing boots? John K.: >I can say, having read all of them, that the "Aunt Jane's Nieces" series >is _much_ better and _much_ more interesting than you (all of you who >haven't read them) think. I've only read one of them ("Ranch"), and Steve Teller said it's one of the poorer efforts. I enjoyed it mildly; I don't feel any great need to collect them all, but as I run across them at reasonable prices (if I do) I'll pick them up. David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:31:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Kiex@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-11-98 > "The more you drive, the less > intelligent you are." Gosh, Mr. Bell, I like that line of thought! (Of course, it does sort of put down my father, who grew up on a farm and had to drive at 10, but that's not the point . . . ;-).) And what's so Ozzy about driving? Perhaps the fact that a car didn't even appear in Oz until late in RPT's administration--as cars simply aren't needed there. Until next time, Jeremy Steadman http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/9619 ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:39:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Hughleen@aol.com Subject: Wizard of Oz Videos [Can someone help this non-member? (Remember, "non-member" means you need to E-mail him privately...) -- Dave] Not sure if you can help. I am looking for a source of two videos: Dorothy Meets Ozma of Oz and Return to Oz. Any ideas of where I might purchase? ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:31:17 -0400 From: "Melody G. Keller" Subject: Ozzy Digest Sender: "Melody G. Keller" If anyone is interested, I have a first ed of "Merry-Go-Round" that was originally in mint condition & cost me about $175.00. Now the top seems a bit dusty & stained, but otherwise it's still in great shape. It has also aquired the autographs of both McGraws & Dick Martin since its purchas. Would $250 be a fair price? Also have a first ed. in excellent condition of Shaggy Man, and a tatty-looking first ed. of Magical Mimics. Melody Grandy ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:12:46 -0400 From: Tyler Jones Subject: oZ Sender: Tyler Jones LuvChachi: It is a sad thing that the Oz books have receded in the American memory, but they are there, waiting to be rediscovered by a new generation. It is our mission to bring them back into the full light of day. Tyler Jones ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Aug 98 13:19:45 (PDT) From: Dave Hardenbrook Subject: Ozzy Things MGM OZ RE-RELEASE: Jane wrote: >Nonetheless, it is not where I will be spending Christmas day, regardless of >what enticing companionship might surface in the Kansas City area... Nothing >personal, I have other priorities every Dec. 25. :) That certainly could be said for many of us, even non-Christians who observe Christmas anyway... I personally don't advocate any Ozzy get-togethers *on* Christmas, but maybe that Saturday or Sunday... (It *will* be showing more than one day, won't it??) OZ BOOK POPULARITY: David Hulan wrote: >That was just Dave's pessimistic assessment. It may be the case that that's >the relative number of sites referring to Oz on Delphi, but I think you'll >find that in the overall public perception the book series is second only >to the MGM movie in recognition value. And certainly the movie is way ahead >of either Australia or the TV prison series in public recognition. Well, maybe I *have* reached Eve Arden levels of cynicism -- I'm just going by personal experience...True, I've never had anyone see my Oz button and say, "Oh, are you a fan of that prison series?" Actually, the exchange usually runs like this: THEM: What's that "Z" on your badge stand for? ME: It's a "Z" inscribed inside an "O" -- O-Z. THEM: (Puzzled) "Oz"?? ME: As in "The Wizard of Oz". THEM: Oh, I see...With Judi Dench... ME: Judy Garland...And I'm also a fan of the books... THEM: (Astonished) You mean there are *BOOKS*???!!! I suppose I shouldn't really complain because so far I've met two girls through my "Oz" badge...That's two more than I've met through touting my fandom of ABBA or Enya or Red Dwarf. Though I never saw them again after that initial ice-breaking conversation due to a "I'll see you tomorrow" that fell through...Moral: Live for today. Jellia: I can sympathize with that...Like when Grant Polgarsky said to me, "Don't worry Jellia -- I'll see you tomorrow!" Well, there *was* no tomorrow...The circus moved on! Nick Chopper: (Reaching for his oil can) Gee, what a sad story ... Jellia: I'll say...That's the last shot I'll ever have at a trapeze artist! QUIZ QUESTIONS: >Other than Aunt Em, who is the only adult female from America to settle >in Oz? Ummm...Is Jenny Jump considered an adult? >What character that Dorothy first met in Oz also visited her in Kansas? Well, at least this narrows things down to the first six books... Not that it helps much... >What character plays a prominent role in the first two Oz books but is >never mentioned in the text of another book? The Guardian of the Gates?? (Surely he's mentioned in later books???) >In which book is Ozma depicted wearing boots? Uuuuuummmmmm... I know what book (non-canonical) in which she's depicted *barefoot*...But *boots*...??? Jellia: Boots? Well, that's better than the awful high-heels Neill frequently showed her in... Ozma: Actaully, I usually wear Reeboks... -- Dave ====================================================================== -- Dave **************************************************************************** Dave Hardenbrook, DaveH47@delphi.com, http://people.delphi.com/DaveH47/ "I like to define humor as the affectionate communication of insight." -- Leo Rosten, introduction to _Oh K*A*P*L*A*N, My K*A*P*L*A*N_ ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, AUGUST 15 - 18, 1998 *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:25:01 -0400 (EDT) From: kivel99@PlanetAll.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-14-98 > Speaking of which, at the risk of insulting many of you, perhaps the lack of > interest in voting on the Lost Princess start date reflects the number of > people who are actually interested in such discussions? Gosh--I sure hope not! [ I voted--did you? ;-) ] Lisa B.: <> Gosh--you sure are athletic! I can barely get myself over a rock, let alone a house . . . Feeling jumpy as usual, Jeremy Steadman ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:05:10 -0400 (EDT) From: LuVCHACHI@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-14-98 In a message dated 8/14/98 6:09:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DaveH47@delphi.com writes: << Well, maybe I *have* reached Eve Arden levels of cynicism -- I'm just going by personal experience...True, I've never had anyone see my Oz button and say, "Oh, are you a fan of that prison series?" >> O have another screen name with Oz in it and what i usually get form people is: "You like Ozzy Osbourne?" "No, I like The Wizard of Oz" It's weird when I get that from people...also I have noticed too that alot people only know of the FIRST Oz book. When I was reading the L. Frank Baum ones a few years ago, alot of people that I went to school with were shocked. They were like "You mean there are OTHER books?!" Oh well.... ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:11:01 -0700 From: Bob Spark Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-14-98 X-Accept-Language: en Scott Olsen, > anyone remember _The Lord of the Rings_ movie that ended > about 2/3 of the way through the story? I do recall that movie. I recall being vastly disappointed because so much more could have been done. I felt it had such promise and I liked the format but it deserved one heck of a lot more development. It was (to me) almost as if someone had done some preliminary work, then someone else picked it up and released it as it stood. Speaking of the continual controversy about the movie vs. Baum's (and other's) books, I don't find that the one detracts from the other. They are just different animals. I do confess to being unable to separate my feelings now about the movie from my feelings as a child when I first experienced it. I had begun to read the books before I saw the movie and had had them read to me before that but even at the time I don't recall equating the two. Now I can enjoy them both. I do feel that people who haven't experienced the theatrical version of the movie, only the television version, have been sadly deprived but that can probably be said of almost any film. Bob Spark ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:08:37 -0400 From: "J. L. Bell" Subject: 19th-century roots of Oz Sender: "J. L. Bell" This week I made my first visit to Chittenango, NY. A sign on the village's western border shows Nick Chopper (Neill style) beside the notice "Birthplace of L. Frank Baum." The town's center has yellow brick sidewalks. A museum devoted to Baum is scheduled to open later this year, according to Barbara Evans, who has the only key. Unfortunately, this far from its Ozfest [in May?], Chittenango comes across much like other small, left-behind towns along the old Erie Canal. It developed industrially through the start of this century, then stopped growing as transportation routes changed. I don't think it's quite close or convenient enough to Syracuse to become a bedroom community yet. That leaves a smattering of chain stores, trailer parks, and old homes surrounding the village center. There's no bookstore, alas, though some shops stock Oz souvenirs which, now that the festival's past, were either overpriced or clearance-priced. For folks seeking the atmosphere of Baum's Victorian childhood, the recreated Genesee Country Village & Museum in Mumford, south of Rochester, is probably more enjoyable. Besides Baum, Chittenango's major tourist appeal is an Erie Canal museum, one of many along the old water route. I hadn't taken in how Baum grew up in a canal town. That made me wonder about how seeing the artificial river might have affected his writings. The physically impossible rivers of DOT & TOT (flowing in a circle) and PATCHWORK GIRL (flowing in both directions, wall of water) may owe something to the canal. And Scraps's idea in GLINDA of lowering the level of a lake to reach the Skeezers' island is clearly influenced by the canal locks. John W Kennedy wrote: <<[Munchkin Convention] Research-Table prizes weren't given because no judges could be found. Since Eleanor and I were almost the last people to leave, we got handed the baby at Noon on Sunday.>> I knew there was a good reason for slipping out when I did! On posting conventions' Oz trivia quizzes on the Web, Dave Hulan wrote: <> Fred was the guardian of club traditions I was thinKING about, though I don't know OF his feelings on THE trivia quizzes specifically. In a recent letter Fred also WINGED me that question about who visited Dorothy in the Emerald City without wearing green glasses, so he's not a stickler about keeping every query under wraps. But I suspect he'd protest about anyone who MONKEYS with the tradition, especially when it's something he still enjoys doing for the Club. Dave, why don't you start with a "best of" collection drawn from older BUGLEs, the Digest itself, or original questions? There may even be some questions which would come across better on the Web (involving color art, for instance). [See how much work I'm making for you and whoever sets up this Web site!] Alternatively, you've got the qualifications to become Fred's assistant on future BUGLE quizzes. Dave Hulan also passed on some nifty Oz questions. I don't like blurting out answers, but (as you see above) I love throwing out hints, in case anyone's still working on these queries. <> There are many different kinds of females, of course. <> He came by my house, too, near the end of last year. <> Though she looms small in the series, she's outstanding in her field. <> Alas, my effort at recalling this answer is bootless, even though Dave told it to me over Munchkin dinner! So I'll ask an extra-tough trivia question in return. Where in the Oz series published by R&L do we see Button-Bright barefoot? From South Dakota, Bea Premack wrote: <> If TIK-TOK is to be the theme of the 1999 festival, you might consider renting one of those inflated obstacle courses (like a bouncy castle, but longer), and invite kids to run through the "Rubber Country." Dave Hulan wrote: <> True, though that had to do as much with vicious infighting within the family that controlled Crown's parent company as any difficulty selling books. One of the troubles with the chain/independent divide is that it doesn't separate good bookstores from bad. Borders outlets are everything I want a general bookstore to be, and many large independent bookstores reach the same level. Barnes & Noble (including Bookstop), Crown, and other chain stores are comparatively disappointing, but many independent booksellers are even more so. Furthermore, some of the more successful independents are themselves small chains, the way Borders started in Ann Arbor, which leads me to think their owners would be happy to enjoy the same sort of success. Having spent the last week driving through towns where "Bookstore" means "I sell a few best-sellers alongside stationery, cards, and gifts," I feel renewed gratitude about living within half an hour of a dozen fine bookshops. I don't mind that some of them are owned by publicly-traded companies and others are locally owned, as long as they do a good job by me and their employees. Dave Hardenbrook wrote: <> "Our Miss Hardenbrooks"? I'm attaching a book review that recently appeared on the H-Women listserv for scholars interested in women's history, and was thence posted on the H-SHEAR listserv for scholars of the early American republic. Matilda Joslyn Gage makes an appearance, and the whole review is an interesting summary of the atmosphere surrounding the early suffragists. J. L. Bell JnoLBell@compuserve.com ------------------------------ H-NET BOOK REVIEW Published by H-Women@msu.edu (July, 1998) Jean V. Matthews. _Women's Struggle for Equality: The First Phase, 1828-1876_. American Ways Series. Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 1997. x + 212 pp. Note on sources, appendix, and index. $24.95 (cloth), ISBN 1-56663-145-9; $12.95 (paper), ISBN 1-56663-146-7. Reviewed for H-Women by Jennifer Davis McDaid , The Library of Virginia In 1913, Virginia lawyer Conway Whittle Sams dismissed the woman suffrage movement as "a craze." Laws benefiting women, he declared with disdain in _Shall Women Vote? A Book for Men_, deserved to be catalogued "in a Museum of Legal Curiosities...in the section devoted to Legislative Attempts to Subordinate Men to Women and Children."[1] Despite such opposition (from both sexes), women would win the vote seven years later. The battle for equality, however, had begun over seventy years earlier. In July 1848, the first convention agitating for women's rights, held in Seneca Falls, New York, produced a Declaration of Sentiments asserting that "all men and women are created equal." Of those who signed it, only Charlotte Woodward, a glove-maker, lived to cast a vote in 1920, at age ninety-one. In _Women's Struggle for Equality: The First Phase, 1828-1876_, Jean V. Matthews has crafted a concise and highly readable synthesis of recent suffrage scholarship. The fight for equality, she reminds her readers, was much more than the fight for the vote. "The women's movement," she maintains, "was one of the most important social and political forces of the nineteenth century" (p. vii). Especially in its first phase, the movement was revolutionary and emancipatory, claiming for women equality of rights, opportunities, and respect with men. More than paving the way to the ballot box, these early suffragists were attempting to rethink and redefine what womanhood meant--a threatening proposition to men and women alike. A small minority of unusual women fought for suffrage. For most of the population, "the woman question" had already been answered by the system of separate spheres crafted in the early nineteenth century from the Revolutionary-era notion of republican motherhood.[2] Men, physically and mentally strong, were destined for the world of "war, work, and politics"; women, naturally weaker but morally purer, were meant for the home, "marriage, motherhood, domestic joys and charities." "In short," writes Matthews, "men's sphere was the public world, women's the private" (p. 5). This separate but dependent domestic sphere reflected the world and the experience of most nineteenth-century women. The majority were married, and once they married, few worked outside of the home, directing their energies instead to the bearing and raising of children. The doctrine of separate spheres, Matthews argues, was "a kind of sexual constitutionalism," a separation of powers designed to lessen competition between the sexes while affirming gender identity of both (p. 7). Women, nevertheless, were always dependent on men and subject to their authority. Despite these boundaries, nineteenth-century women were making practical gains. Although no colleges admitted women, female literacy increased. Historians estimate that by 1850, half of American women were literate. The amount and availability of reading material grew; women came together in study clubs and reading groups; and educational pioneers like Emma Willard and Catharine Beecher opened higher education opportunities for women. Willard's female academy opened in Troy, New York in 1821, and by 1872 had educated twelve thousand girls, including Elizabeth Cady. Beecher's Hartford Female Seminary trained women to be teachers starting in 1823. Soon female academies opened throughout the United States, although none intended to challenge the longstanding "separate, and subordinate, sphere of women." Instead, they aimed to make girls better daughters, wives, and mothers. One graduate of Hartford Seminary, while insisting to a friend that "mental acquirements" were compatible with "the domestic usefulness of a woman," hesitated to share her skills with the world at large. "I think however great the acquirements which a woman has made," she reflected in a fashion typical of her contemporaries, "they should never be blazoned to the world---should be kept in the shade and never be exhibited or displayed" (p. 19). As the nineteenth century progressed, women increasingly ventured out into the world, forging antebellum revivalism, female associations, and reform movements. Historian Nancy Hewitt found three separate networks in her study of Rochester, New York: a charity relief network, an evangelical revival network aiming to rid society of intemperance and vice, and a small but vocal group of radical reformers aiming to break down boundaries between the spheres.[3] For most reformers, the question of women's involvement in politics divided moderate reform and radicalism. Although no organized national society was formed in 1848, the men and women who gathered at Seneca Falls demanded the vote, among other reforms. This spark ignited the women's movement, steered until the Civil War by a small core of leaders linked by friendship and experience. Matthews tells her story with both style and substance, delving into the lives of familiar leaders like Susan B. Anthony and less visible workers like Emily Collins, "a lifelong soldier in the cause of women's rights" (p. 63). Chapter Three adeptly unravels the operations and competing aims of the movement. Women worked for the reform of oppressive laws and institutions; they also wanted "to transform men's ideas about women, and women's ideas about themselves" (p. 64). All of this came to a halt with the outbreak of the Civil War. Sandwiched between Matthews's chronology of the movement's development before and after the war is a chapter examining the question posed bluntly by the _New York Herald_ in September 1852: "Who are these women? what do they want? what are the motives that impel them to this course of action?" (p. 84). In a chapter titled "Diagnosing the Problem," Matthews sketches a composite portrait of the female reformer. Many were from small towns in regions already rich with reform ideas and organizations: upstate New York, Massachusetts, parts of Pennsylvania, and the Ohio Western Reserve. (Although Matthews argues that the women's movement did not penetrate the South, Elizabeth R. Varon has recently demonstrated that white Southern women were involved in politics throughout the antebellum period, lending their support to often-controversial reforms.[4]) Most were members of the middle class, and were already involved in antislavery and temperance. Nearly all were native born, married, and well educated. Most of the female population, however, did not attach themselves to the women's movement; Matthews skillfully outlines the motivations of those few who chose to challenge the expected. Women were often motivated to join the fight for equality because they felt "unjustly deprived of opportunity for growth" and after they had witnessed, but not necessarily suffered, oppression or abuse (p. 92). Converts were painfully aware, however accomplished they were, of belonging to "an inferior caste" (p. 93). By 1860, the movement was working toward equal rights for women as citizens, as well as the right to vote; perhaps more importantly, it was building change on the foundation of a new, self-developed, economically independent womanhood. Matthews argues that the Civil War was a turning point in the woman's movement. The question of the vote was dramatically changed by emancipation; with the Fourteenth Amendment, the word "male" was introduced into the Constitution for the first time, making implicit "the linkage between citizenship, voting, and male gender" (p. 121). In addition, the constituency of the movement changed and broadened after the war. In 1869, two woman suffrage organizations were formed. The National Woman Suffrage Association, headed by Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, opposed the Fifteenth Amendment, called for a separate federal amendment to enfranchise women, and worked to address other issues concerning women's rights. The American Woman Suffrage Association, led by Lucy Stone, her husband Henry Blackwell, Julia Ward Howe, and others, endorsed the Fifteenth Amendment, and, unlike the NWSA, concentrated solely on developing support for woman suffrage on the state level through constitutional reform. Matthews effectively weighs the benefits and disadvantages of the split in the women's movement, and examines the prickly but undeniable issue of racism among suffragists.[5] If the issue of race did not derail the suffrage movement, the issue of sex nearly did. The in the early 1870s, the NWSA tangled with free-love advocate Victoria Woodhull, whose life has recently been examined in detail by Barbara Goldsmith and Mary Gabriel.[6] Cady Stanton and Anthony, meanwhile, were involved as advocates in several sensational trials with sexual themes, and two prominent pro-feminist men--Theodore Tilton and Henry Ward Beecher--were the protagonists in a long-running sex scandal of their own creation. Organized antisuffragism among women developed in the 1870s as membership in suffrage organizations dropped and membership in new, more traditional organizations, like the Women's Christian Temperance Union, grew.[7] In the midst of these doldrums, the United States prepared to celebrate its centennial. Matthews closes her history here. Denied space in the Centennial International Exhibition in Philadelphia, and with Lucy Stone's exhibit protesting taxation without representation tucked away into a dusty corner of the Woman's Pavilion, Susan B. Anthony and Matilda Joslyn Gage decided to crash the opening ceremonies. The president of the Exhibition had been blunt in his refusal: "Tomorrow we propose to celebrate what we have done the last hundred years," he said, "not what we have failed to do."[8] For a small group of suffragists, these were fighting words. On July 4, five women interrupted the ceremonies at Independence Hall to unfurl a three-foot-long scroll inscribed with a declaration of women's rights and handed copies out to the crowd. A reading by Susan B. Anthony followed outside. Summing up the goals of the movement's first phase, the document offered "an open-ended view of emancipation." With no example to guide them, these women bravely invented "new ways of being a woman" (p. 185). Matthews herself, like the women she writes about, has bravely ventured into uncharted territory. A narrative history of the early years of the women's movement was sorely needed, and she has provided an excellent example of what a well-written synthesis should be. In lively, spare prose, she outlines the story, surveys the sources, incorporates varying interpretations, and peppers the text with the experiences and the words of the participants. Her meaty "Note on Sources" provides an excellent survey of suffrage scholarship, as well as a section on primary sources, underscoring the author's assertion that "there is no substitute for reading the words of the historical actors themselves" (p. 187). In _Women's Struggle for Equality_, Jean V. Matthews has written a skillful introduction to and examination of the early years of a revolutionary movement. Notes [1]. Conway Whittle Sams, _Shall Women Vote? A Book for Men_ (New York: Neale Publishing Company, 1913), 282-83. [2]. As described by Linda K. Kerber in _Women of the Republic: Intellect and Ideology in Revolutionary America_ (New York: W. W. Norton, 1986), 199-200, 283-87. [3]. _Women's Activism and Social Change: Rochester, New York 1822-1872_ (Ithaca, New York: Cornell University Press, 1974). [4]. Elizabeth R. Varon, _We Mean to Be Counted: White Women and Politics in Antebellum Virginia_ (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1998). [5]. As discussed in Suzanne Lebsock's "Women Suffrage and White Supremacy: A Virginia Case Study," in _Visible Women: New Essays on American Activism_, Nancy A. Hewitt and Suzanne Lebsock, eds. (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1993), 62-100. [6]. Barbara Goldsmith, _Other Powers: The Age of Suffrage, Spiritualism, and the Scandolous Victoria Woodhull_ (New York: Knopf, 1998); Mary Gabriel, _Notorious Victoria: The Life of Victoria Woodhull, Uncensored_ (Chapel Hill: Algonquin Books, 1998). [7]. The origins of the southern antisuffrage movement are explored by Elna C. Green in _Southern Strategies: Southern Women and the Woman Suffrage Question_ (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1997). [8]. Quoted by Linda K. Kerber, "'Ourselves and Our Daughters Forever': Women and the Constitution, 1787-1876," in _One Woman, One Vote: Rediscovering the Woman Suffrage Movement_ edited by Marjorie Spruill Wheeler, (Troutdale, Oregon: New Sage Press, 1995), 22. Copyright (c)1998 by H-Net, all rights reserved. This work may be copied for non-profit, educational use if proper credit is given to the author and the list. For other permissions, please contact H-Net at H-Net@h-net.msu.edu ------------------------------ ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 02:24:23 +0000 (GMT) From: David Hulan Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-14-98 >Barbara DeJohn wrote: "On Dorothy's first visit to Oz, Who entered the >Emerald City, talked with her, and left without wearing green glasses?" > >Was it the King of the Winged Monkeys? Ayup. Jane: Plans for the Y2K convention continue to sound promising. Ruth: Actually, Isaac Watts remains a prominent figure in American Protestant hymnology (which is one of my brother's fields of expertise). I forget which well-known hymns are his, but certainly there are a lot that are better-known than "How Doth the Little Busy Bee..." or even Alice's parodies. Dave: >QUIZ QUESTIONS: >>Other than Aunt Em, who is the only adult female from America to settle >>in Oz? > >Ummm...Is Jenny Jump considered an adult? Nope. Try a chicken.. >>What character that Dorothy first met in Oz also visited her in Kansas? > >Well, at least this narrows things down to the first six books... >Not that it helps much... He came down her chimney in Kansas... >>What character plays a prominent role in the first two Oz books but is >>never mentioned in the text of another book? Try a very small character who shows up in an illustration -but not the text - in ROAD. >>In which book is Ozma depicted wearing boots? Of course, she wasn't in her true form, but try her eponymous book... David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:20:19 -0400 From: Tyler Jones Subject: Oz Sender: Tyler Jones David: The only question I can answer off the top of my head is >What character plays a prominent role in the first two Oz books but is >never mentioned in the text of another book? It must be the Queen of the Field Mice. Billina may be considered an adult who settled in Oz. Tyler Jones ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:59:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Ozmama@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-14-98 Scott O.<< Speaking of which, anyone remember _The Lord of the Rings_ movie that ended about 2/3 of the way through the story?>> Yes, I remember being frustrated with it. One of the biggest joys of LOTR is its depth and breadth. The movie, understandably, couldn't do more than touch upon most things. If anyone saw the movie without having read the books, there was no way they could follow what was happening. We're lucky that Oz translated so well into film, although MGM's Oz is certainly not the same as canonical Oz. Ruth : You are correct that selection of a convention site is not entirely democratic;however, every attempt is made to get feedback from attendees, and we do vote each year on whether to return to a particular venue. I like Hershey, too , (and would love to see chocolate E.T. soldiers) but can't remember the map well enough to know if it's easily accessible from an airport or if it'll require (like Castle Park and Lake Lawn) arranging for ground transportation after a plane trip. CenCon's site selection, btw, was determined only after we polled members. Y'all just *have to* attend the big 2000 convention. It's shaping up as a great Ozperience. Jane is a rare commodity: one of those idea people who actually follow through on their ideas! She has an exceptionally exciting program planned. Start saving up for it all now! I think you'll find that the auction will be outstanding, too. John Kennedy, I expect you to be right there at the piano, belting out old favorites with me and the rest of us who love to sing. Does Ryan Bunch subscribe to the Digest? If not, he should. Anyway, here's hoping he'll do piano duty for us. He's very talented. Oh, and while I'm at it, my other Oz "son" should plan on singing with us, too. Got that, Atty?! Seriously, folks, this is going to be a convention you're sure to remember with pleasure for many years. And, if you haven't been to an OzCon, you're missing out on meeting some very warm, very bright people. If you want to discuss Oz, there'll be others who like to do so, too, but talking Oz is not a requirement. Conversations can just as easily center on baseball, old movies, art, or libertarianism as on Oz. You know that already, I suspect, just from reading the Digest. Sometimes our digressions are even more interesting than what we have to say about Oz! Bompi:<> You are! Save those pennies and dimes and c'mon down (or up) (or over)! Bea: You're planning on doing _Tic-Tok_? It's a joy, and should be lots of fun. I was in the 1984 cast--the first known revival of it--and can tell you that there are some wonderful moments in it. I'm jealous. I wanna be in it again! Have fun with it. Your audience will! School may have started for me by then, and there's no way I'll be able to take off early for Aberdeen, if it has, but maybe I'll get lucky and the district will wait until the 9th. to begin. If that's the case, then I'll try to attend... as long as Ruth promises to be there, too. She's supposed to be my Dakota roommate! David: My guess is that Fred will be unhappy about any quiz questions (and answers) posted, if they come from the current year's convention quizzes. Easy enough to work around, though, if you use questions from past years. Melody:<< If anyone is interested, I have a first ed of "Merry-Go-Round" that was originally in mint condition & cost me about $175.00. Now the top seems a bit dusty & stained, but otherwise it's still in great shape. It has also aquired the autographs of both McGraws & Dick Martin since its purchas. Would $250 be a fair price?>> Sure, for the buyer, but not for you! It's undoubtedly worth much more in the retail market. Depending on condition, it could be worth double what you're asking. Wanna sell the 1st. of _Shaggy Man_ to IWOC for the 2000 auction? If so, e-mail Patrick Maund (ZMaund@aol.com). or, if you're more comfortable with me, e-mail me. Btw, we'd probably be quite cheerful about buying that MGR at $250. Sorry for such a long post. --Robin ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 05:36:04 -0400 From: Richard Bauman Subject: Tonight's Oz Growls Sender: Richard Bauman Scott >anyone remember _The Lord of the Rings_ movie that ended about 2/3 of the way through the story? Yes, I think they just ran out of money ....... or interest. Sigh. LuVCHACHI: >That's really sad. I mean just the fact that the book series is last. You misunderstood, or I didn't make it plain. Delphi has a long list under Oz. The Digest was number 40-something IIRC, I didn't go on past Dave. And, we still don't have a name for you. Is it a secret? David >Anthony Hope Hodgson (or whatever his name was - author of PRISONER OF ZENDA) or Baroness Orczy or the other authors he's parodying. - Interesting, it was Anthony Hope Hawkins who wrote "The Prisoner of Zenda." Maybe uou were mixing him with William Hope Hodgson, who wrote some early fantasy novels. Ones I recall are "The Night Land," "The House on the Borderland," and "Out of the Storm." I wonder if they both had a "Hope" relative? Dave >Ozma: Actaully, I usually wear Reeboks... More of the modernist "Hardenbrook Heresy." :) Traditionally, Bear (:<) ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:32:27 -0400 From: Richard Randolph Subject: Ozzy Digest 8-14-98 Eleanor Kennedy: My sincere apologies for misspelling your name. LuVCHACHI: It appears you don't wish to identify yourself further? Bompi, and others without copies of Lost Princess: I still have two sets of very cheap paperbacks of Baum's Wizard thru Lost Princess, (minus Patchwork Girl & Scarecrow,) that I acquired some time ago from Wal-Mart @ 2 for $1. There are no illustrations, but have complet text. E-mail me if interested. Barbara Johnson & Bea Premack: Thanks for your comments on the Aberdeen Ozfest. I hope to make it one of thes years. :-) Dick ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:22:45 -0400 From: "Melody G. Keller" Subject: Ozzy Digest Sender: "Melody G. Keller" If some of you would like to E-mail privately to me bids for a "Shaggy Man" first ed. in excellent shape, and a first ed. "Magical Mimics" in fair shape, you're welcome to do so. The prices asked at the Schiller auction of 1978 were a max of $75 for Shaggy and $60 respectively. Of course, Schiller's "Mimics" was in much better shape than mine. :-) Melody Grandy ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:44:59 -0400 From: "Melody G. Keller" Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-14-98 Sender: "Melody G. Keller" Message text written by "Dave L. Hardenbrook" >Wanna sell the 1st. of _Shaggy Man_ to IWOC for the >2000 auction?< How much will you offer me? :-) A guy named Mike was first to claim the MGR, so I'll sell it to him if I get a check from him soon. Otherwise, taking bids like I'm doing right now for Shaggy and Mimics seems like a good idea. Wish I had thought to do that with MGR. That one was my most valuable book. :-) Melody Grandy ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:03:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "James R. Whitcomb" Subject: Wizard of Oz Website update #3 Hello Oz fans, friends & "family": Some exciting news just in from Jim's "Wizard of Oz" Website!!! In anticipation of the re-release of MGM's classic film in theatres on Christmas Day, 1998, I have added a "new" page on my site so you can VOTE!!! FOR YOUR FAVORITE OZ CHARACTER. So, be patriotic, and vote now!!! Votes will be tabulated and results will be posted January 1, 1999!!! It's hard to believe the summer is almost over! I have been busy adding hypertext links to my site this season in order to make navigating my site easier and more efficient. So, check-out my new keyword index, URL: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/6396/keyword.htm This page includes a comprehensive hypertext index of all topics within my website! Now, for the GOOD NEWS!!!! As many of you know, my website has been getting lots of "special" recognition lately, including being featured on the newly created BBC Web Guide. Next week I will be featured on the Microsoft Internet Explorer User Home Page on Surfalot's Picks for his topic on "witchcraft". He will be featuring my Witches of Oz page, "Are You a Good Witch, or a Bad Witch". URL: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/6396/witches.htm And, yesterday I received an email from Marilyn Davis of "All Star Radio" asking for permission to disseminate information about my website to over 400 radio stations nationwide within the United States! As always, Ozzy wishes and the best to you! Jim Whitcomb of ... Jim's "Wizard of Oz" Website URL: http://www.geocites.com/Hollywood/Hills/6396/ **PLEASE NOTE: If you received this email it's because you are a Wizard of Oz fan or a regular visitor to my website. If you don't want to receive these updates in the future, please email me. ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:09:06 -0400 From: Lisa Bompiani Subject: Ozzy Digest Hello, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT! The school board did not vote on hiring last night, so I have to wait until next Friday to find out if I got a job! At least no news is good news. I went looking for the Leach edition of Oz that Gordon mentioned, and found his book _Land of Desire: Merchants, Power, and the Rise of a New American Culture_ (1993). It seems pretty interesting from what I've scanned so far. He discusses Baum quite a bit in reference to the phenomenon of display windows in the early century, calling him a window expert who "helped create a remarkable landscape of glass" (41). His sections specifically about Baum are "L. Frank Baum and The Show Window," and "L.Frank Baum and Theosophy." His section dealing w/ WWoO is called "An Affirmative American Fairy Tale." About homemade ruby slippers: I have a Dorothy costume I made a few years back while in college. Being in the English Dept., we used to have literary theme parties, especially at Halloween. Anyway, I went to the local Sal Val (Salvation Army), bought an old pair of heels with a sort of bow-looking thing, colored them with red permanent marker, covered them in rubber cement, and dipped them in red glitter. Let me tell you, they were the hit of the party! I thought Jeremey's comment was more towards the idea of ruby v. silver slippers, though. . . Ozzy Christmas: Like Jane, I have always been busy on Dec. 25th b/c of the holiday. Actually, being in a half-Italian family, we must start preparations way in advance to get all of the food and wine ready! But when I told my family about the Oz release, they are all making amends so that I can attend in the evening if I choose! Aren't they wonderful! Whether I go or not is a different story, seeing as though the "other half" is Italian, too. Geez! At any rate, I told a bunch of my friends about it, and how I thought it was odd to go to a movie on Christmas, and one of them said that he and his family always go to a movie together in the evening. Plus, a lot of people who don't have much family or friends go to movies to avoid being alone. I saw the Pittsburgh Civic Light Opera's production of Oz in 1993, and I have to say, it was the little girl of about 4 sitting next to me, dressed up like a fairy princess, and protecting me from the "meany witch" with her very own magic wand that made the performance all the more magical. Oh well, Off to work again. Peace & Love, Bompi ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:42:35 -0400 From: David Levitan Subject: Ozzy Digest X-Accept-Language: ru What kind of pre-pub discount does Bow give? Thanks Dave H.: > Of course it *doesn't* help, but I guess I know where I stand now... > In the meantime, I'll have to ask the Digest-forwarding to continue > or maybe we should direct people to David Levitan's archive...(Are > *you* > getting the Digest OK now David?) Everything is working now. I was away last week, and couldn't update the archive, all the digests are now up. -- David Levitan wizardofoz@bigfoot.com ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:03:56 -0400 From: International Wizard of Oz Club Subject: FW: Help Can anybody give Linda an idea as to how to proceed? Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: LINDA LEACH [mailto:leveta61@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 9:18 PM Subject: Help Dear Club Leader: I teach at a rural school in Middlesboro, Kentucky. I would like to produce a musical version of the "Wizard of Oz" next spring. I have no idea how expensive the royalty fees will be. Will it be horrible? Yes, I would like to find a script with a musical score close to the 1939 MGM version. Do you know how I can locate the version published by Whitmark Publishing? I do not have an address for this company and am ready to throw up my hands in despair. Please help a tired old theater coach. My email address is: leveta61@hotmail.com. I have an address at school, but they keep changing it. Don't you love our education system???? thanks, Linda ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:42:37 -0500 (EST) From: sahutchi@iupui.edu Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-11-98 John: "Boot" was not a typo in referring to Magic Book, just so you know. I was going to scan a picture of Chris Lofven and a nasty-faced Joy Dunstan onto my website today, but the scanner is down. The book is overdue, but at least the book and scanner are housed in the same building. Barbara: the Wizard never wore the green glasses! Scott ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:23:28 -0500 (EST) From: sahutchi@iupui.edu Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-14-98 Scott: I remember _The Lord of the Rings_. It was really cool because it had those live-action orcs mixed in. The liscencing required Rankin-Bass to finish it, if I remember correctly, even if the look was inconsistent. Daivd: #3 is the Queen of the Field Mice. Who visited dorothy in Kansas? The Shaggy Man, but she had not met him in Oz first. It's not Zeb, the Wizard, or Jim, so I'm at a loos here, unless someone is counting the various comic pages. I don't think Jenny Jump would be considered an adult, but everyone on the digest knows I haven't read Neill. Scott ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:43:00 -0500 (EST) From: sahutchi@iupui.edu Subject: Ozzy Digest Mother Goose Videos I was at Borders the other day and they had a bunch of remaindered copies of the two _Jim Henson Presents Mother Goose Stories_ videos for $2.98 apiece. You might want to check these ought. I think only three (of the eight stories on two videos) are actually based on Baum, however. Scott ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 12:22:22 (PDT) From: Dave Hardenbrook Subject: Ozzy Things OZZY MIX-UPS: As long-time members of the Digest know, I periodically get messages asking if the Ozzy Digest is for Ozzy Osbourne fans... Can't think of much to say for four days... -- Dave ====================================================================== -- Dave **************************************************************************** Dave Hardenbrook, DaveH47@delphi.com, http://people.delphi.com/DaveH47/ "I like to define humor as the affectionate communication of insight." -- Leo Rosten, introduction to _Oh K*A*P*L*A*N, My K*A*P*L*A*N_ ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, AUGUST 19 - 20, 1998 *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:37:24 -0700 From: Tyler Jones Subject: Oz All: I am pleased to announce that the Ozzy Digest, in monthly blocks, is available for download. Go to http://tyler1.apprentice.com and visit the Oz section. These files are PKZIPPED ASCII test files. Tyler Jones ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:24:08 -0500 (EST) From: sahutchi@iupui.edu Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-18-98 David: Isacc Watt (not Watts, I believe), is best known for "Joy to the World" (the words only, of course). Robin: If you want someone to sing you an ask me, as long as you don't want me to do _Miss Gulch Returns_ or some other drag thing. I'm probably the most requested and least performed soloist at my church. I also just reponded today to an ad for a vocalist in a rock band, though I don't know if that will come to anything. Lisa: A ruby-slippered Dorothy doesn't sound very literary... I sometimes go to a movie on Christmas, sine we usually deal with the religious aspects of Christmas on Christmas Eve, when our church has a beautiful tenebrae service (it's not just a great Italian mystery film). I don't know if my church even has day services on Christmas. It's just me and my parents on Christmas anyway, unless Chanukkah does not overlap, as my brother's wife is Jewish. Scott P.S.: this computer's "c" key is not working right, so typing this has been a struggle. Ernest Vinent Wright should use the keyboard, but he's dead. ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:24:34 -0700 From: Peter Hanff Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-18-98 August 13, 1998 Mark de la Tour, eldest son of long-time Oz Club member, Dorothy Nitch telephoned today to report that Dorothy died yesterday afternoon after six months of declining health. Dorothy became a major figure of the Oz Club even before most of us met her, for we heard about her from member James E. Nitch several years before he married her. Theirs was almost a fairy-tale romance. They had met in their early twenties, but Dorothy was married. Col. Nitch pursued a full and distinguished career in the U.S. Army, but never married because he had already met the love of his life, Dorothy. In 1984, they were finally able to wed, and from then on Dorothy was always a vital, gracious presence at any Oz Club functions they attended. They were active in the Winkie and South Winkie meetings, and were regulars at the Ozmopolitan Conventions, too. Dorothy was a great friend of many in the Club, and she took particular delight in the special programs that included Club members in performances. Dorothy had been a member of the ballet corps at MGM in the 1940s and many of us enjoyed hearing her stories of her experiences at MGM on such movies as The Pirate, Meet Me in St. Louis, and The Harvey Girls. That background stimulated a remarkably generous attitude toward all of our amateur theatricals. In the mid-1980s the Nitches became concerned that the Ozmopolitan Convention's attendance was dropping because of its unappealing location. They began scouting for a more attractive site, and located Lake Lawn Lodge on the shore of Lake Delavan in Wisconsin. They urged several other Ozmopolitans to check out the Lodge. We did and finally last year were able to move the Ozmopolitan Convention to that very spot. Jim, sadly, had died the year before, but Dorothy joined us as Honorary Hostess. When I talked with Dorothy in May this year she told me that she had suffered a bad fall this past December and simply wouldn't be up to rejoining us at either the Ozmopolitan or Winkie meetings this summer. It was the first time I had ever heard her truly down, but she was still very perky and wanted to know what the main program events would be like, and she reminisced about the many friends she would miss seeing. The Ozmopolitans and Winkies, in turn, missed Dorothy and her sons Mark de la Tour, Kevin and Craig La Tour, so many of Dorothy's friends signed large greeting cards to send her. After Jim's death, Dorothy established the James E. Nitch Memorial Endowment for the Oz Club, which serves as a permanent tribute to the Nitch's close friend, Frederick E. Otto, funding each year the Fred Otto Fiction Awards presented at each of the main summer conventions of the Oz Club. Dorothy hoped to see Club members add to the Nitch endowment, and they have done so for the past two summers. I think it would have pleased her to know that some of us will add further to the fund in honor of Dorothy, as well. At Dorothy's request there will be no formal observance, but I think her sons would welcome notes from her friends. These can be sent to Mark de la Tour 325 Bay Street Santa Monica, CA 90405 Dorothy Nitch generously participated in as many Oz Club functions as she could, and her friendship enriched all of us who knew her. Her creation of the James E. Nitch Memorial fund is a fine tribute to Jim Nitch and Fred Otto, and a thoughtful and permanent legacy to The International Wizard of Oz Club. Peter E. Hanff, President The International Wizard of Oz Club ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:55:49 -0400 From: Tyler Jones Subject: Oz Sender: Tyler Jones Bob: I don't think that the concern is that the movie is detracting from the books. It seems to me that the main point of concern, on the digest at least, is that so many people know only of the MGM movie and that the books are virtually unknown. The reason for this disappointment is that there is so much available that people just don't know about. Nor is it likely that this will ever change. All: Speaking of Y2K, has a location been decided for the big 2000 convention? LuvChachi: As a last resort, we could call you Joannie :-) Tyler Jones ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:52:13 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman Subject: ozzy digest Jane Albright: You wondered if the lack of interest in voting on when to begin discussions of "Lost Princess" reflects lack of interest in discussing it. I suspect it doesn't -- just reflects a large middle group who were willing to accommodate either the group who wanted to wait for the BoW copies to arrive or the group who wanted to start straightaway, depending on which of those groups turned out to be larger. But the "okay either way" group was probably a good deal larger than either of the groups with a strong preference. J.L. Bell: Interesting comments on Chittenango. And the Matthews book on "Women's Struggle for Equality" sounds interesting, though probably for general reading rather than the Oz hookup. David Hulan: So Watts is still in the hymnals? That would perhaps console him for his Carrollian fame. Robin Olderman: I should be able to make Aberdeen next year. Don't apologize for a long post. It's all interesting. Jim Vandernoot: I don't have the address of the Tams-Witmark company to send Linda Leach (aside to Dave Hardenbrook, could you get hold of their address and put it in the next OzFAQ, if you haven't already? -- it's certainly a frequently asked question), but I'm sending her a note to suggest that IWOC member Andrea Yussman in Louisville might be a helpful resource for information and suchlike. Ruth Berman ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:21:54 -0400 (EDT) From: LuVCHACHI@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-18-98 <> I'm sorry...it's Meghan...I keep forgetting to sign it ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:26:58 +0000 (GMT) From: David Hulan Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-18-98 LuVCHACHI: >It's weird when I get that from people...also I have noticed too that alot >people only know of the FIRST Oz book. When I was reading the L. Frank Baum >ones a few years ago, alot of people that I went to school with were shocked. >They were like "You mean there are OTHER books?!" Oh well.... Well, _Wizard_ is the only one that's been made into a popular film. And it's the only one that I know of that's been reissued in many different editions with different artists, etc. Available editions of the other books are pretty much either copies of the R&L books with the Neill illustrations or the straight-text versions that Wal-Mart and possibly others have produced. _Wizard_ is just a lot more available than any of the others; you have to be looking for other Oz books to find them, where _Wizard_ sort of jumps out at you. Bob Spark: I don't think the movie detracts from the books, or vice versa, but as you say they're different animals. I don't think very many people, if any, have negative feelings about the movie, but those of us who are most passionate about the books do get a feeling of mild frustration that to 90% or more of the general public Oz _is_ the movie and nothing else. J.L.: >Where in the Oz series published by R&L do we see >Button-Bright barefoot? That's a poser. It's possible that it's not in any of my books; some of mine are lacking endpapers and quite a few of them are lacking color plates, so if it's in one or another of those then the fact that a search of all plausible places didn't turn them up doesn't mean much. Button-Bright has a significant role in only four books - ROAD, SCARECROW, LOST PRINCESS, and GLINDA, with MAGICAL MIMICS as a possible fifth although he doesn't do much in it but get mimicked. I'm reasonably sure he isn't shown barefoot anywhere in ROAD, SCARECROW, or MAGICAL MIMICS, all of which I have in complete form. But my LOST PRINCESS is missing both endpapers and plates, and my GLINDA is missing plates, so it could be one of them. I'm reasonably sure he's never described as barefoot anywhere in the text of any book. The only time he was transformed only his head was affected; Cap'n Bill, for instance, was shown barefoot when he was a grasshopper in SCARECROW. > Furthermore, some of the more successful independents are >themselves small chains, the way Borders started in Ann Arbor, which leads >me to think their owners would be happy to enjoy the same sort of success. True enough - the "independent" I patronize locally is actually a 3-store chain here in DuPage County. But the Naperville store is their main one. Interesting book review. Thanks for including it, even though the Oz connection is slight. Robin: Looking at the map, Hershey appears to be more comparable to Asilomar than to Lake Lawn or Castle Park in terms of accessibility. That is, you can fly into Harrisburg, as you can fly into Monterey, and be reasonably close to the con site, but you may have a complicated set of flight connections and limited choice as to schedule. Or you can fly into Philadelphia, as you can fly into San Jose, and have convenient flights but an hour or two of driving after you get there. >David: My guess is that Fred will be unhappy about any quiz questions >(and answers) posted, if they come from the current year's convention >quizzes. Easy enough to work around, though, if you use questions >from past years. Well, don't anyone tell him I posted a couple from this year's quizzes here. I won't post any more until after the BUGLE with his selection of questions from them appears. Bear: >- Interesting, it was Anthony Hope Hawkins who wrote "The Prisoner of >Zenda." Maybe uou were mixing him with William Hope Hodgson, who wrote >some early fantasy novels. Ones I recall are "The Night Land," "The House >on the Borderland," and "Out of the Storm." I wonder if they both had a >"Hope" relative? I remembered William Hope Hodgson, which is one reason I doubted that Anthony Hope Hodgson was right - but I couldn't come up with "Hawkins." David Levitan: >What kind of pre-pub discount does Bow give? Thanks _Lost Princess_ goes for $19.95 plus S&H pre-pub (meaning before Sept. 10 -though Peter G. says it'll be available earlier, possibly already) and $22 after that. If you just order the one copy S&H is $4.75 pre-pub or, because of the price break-points, $6 later. So, effectively, you save $3.30 by ordering pre-pub. Scott H.: >Barbara: the Wizard never wore the green glasses! But the Wizard didn't "enter the Emerald City" during Dorothy's first visit; he was there when she arrived in Oz and never left until he departed in the balloon, not to return until at least Dorothy's third visit. David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:15:05 -0700 From: Tyler Jones Subject: Oz Here's something cool... There is a listserv out there with an interesting feature. Suppose I send a message to the entire list and "John Smith's" e-mail address cannot receive it. The mailer-daemon sends a notice to the entire group that this message cannot be delivered. Unfortunately, John Smith is a member of the group, so the Daemon dutifully sends him the message as well. This causes another error, which causes the Daemon to send another error message out to everybody, including Mr. Smith, which causes yet another error to be generated... GRRRRRRRRRRRR! I've been gettting about two messages per minute since noon. The interesting thing is, that in the case of a non-existant e-mail address, only the sender gets an error message. This recursive loop only happens when a message gets bounced from an existing valid e-mail address. The powers that be are fixing this problem now. Lesson of the day: It's not a good idea to do large-scale automated things in response to an event, since the sending might cause the same event to happen again. Tyler Jones ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: sahutchi@iupui.edu Subject: Ozzy Digest--Turkish Cinema I don't think there is anything about the Turkish Oz film here, but those of you who have had your interest piqued in Turkish cinema might find this English-language masters thesis interesting. http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~enoyan/ ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:49:31 -0400 From: International Wizard of Oz Club Subject: FW: wizard of oz play info. Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Can anybody give Melissa some guidance? Thanks! Jim -----Original Message----- From: HummelCC@aol.com [mailto:HummelCC@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 12:55 AM Subject: wizard of oz play info. Hello to all I have a question about the play of the wizard of oz with Mickey Rooney in it. My question is I have a three year old who loves the wizard of oz and I want to know if anybody can tell me if this play is for adults to attend or is it suitable for little children, and if so what is the length of the play. any comments would be helpful.Thank you for your time. Sincerly, Melissa E-mail me back at HummelCC (@aol.com) ====================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:29:45 -0400 From: "Melody G. Keller" Subject: Ozzy Digest If anyone is interested, I also have a first edition "Shaggy Man" in excellent condition with pictorial endpapers, for which $300 has been suggested as a price. Depending on your response, I'm willing to revise all prices up or down. Also, if anybody wants a first ed. "Magical Mimics," this one is shaken, with binding loose, cover corners bumped, pictorial endpapers split between book & cover--it *is* showing its age.. On the other hand, it is complete--nothing colored, torn or torn out. There is a name in the ownership slot, and a book plate stuck on the opposite page. $75 was suggested for a "Mimics" in tatty condition, but, after more careful examination, this one is better than I thought. Zauberlinda in fair condition, only the endpapers torn out. Its interest is mainly in being a WOZ imitation. & this looks like a first ed. of "Yellow Knight" with all 12 color plates. Clean and intact but binding is very loose, and the fabric of the cover between front & spine is 3/4 torn. Best offer. :-) Hey! This is a first ed. Giant Horse with Oniberon misprint on 1st color plate caption, and color plates coated on one side. Pg. 121 illo has been crayon-colored. (Yuck!) & 124. 5\152, 223. Some pages have chipped corners, & the binding is loose. On the other hand, all 12 color plates are present and accounted for. Best offer here, too. (Suggestions for any of these, Robin?) Still another first ed., in fair to poor state. Road to Oz, multicolored, cloth spine gone, Front & back covers present but not attached to book anymore. Many illos colored with crayon. Best offer. "Hidden Valley of Oz," first ed, good condition. Some spots on back cover, and centers of endpapers separated, but binding is intact, not super-tight, but not too loose, either. Nothing torn ('cept middle of endpapers between cover & contents), torn out, or colored (Whew!) Perhaps try $150 for this one. First ed, 2nd issue Dorothy & the Wizard in Oz. Top of fabric spine torn away 1/2" from top. Missing 5 color plates & left half of rear endpaper. The book's interior has been repaired with tape in places. Otherwise clean & did not spot any crayon work on illos. Best offer. Also have the big white Rand McNally paperback version of Dorothy & the Wizard. And have the Annotated Wizard of Oz with introduction, notes, and bibliography, in good condition, corners rubbed, in dust jacket that is a little torn here and there. Also a little novelty item--a rebate check from the Wonderful Wizard of Oz and "The Royal Bank of Oz most graciously bestows upon you the grand and magnificent sum of five dollars." It's a rebate check from the Technicolor Wizard of Oz that turned out to be too pretty to cash! It's a very bright and colorful pic of the Fab Four with the EC in the background. ! (What a clever trick!) It is somewhat wrinkled but intact, and the best offer gets it, too. E-mail inquiries & offers to: Harmonyarts@compuserve.com. Will reply privately as well. Will look at my E-mail this Friday--provided Dave gets the Digest with this post out before then. If not, will try to get back to any of you interested folks by private E-mail on Sunday. Melody Grandy ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 03:39:06 -0400 From: International Wizard of Oz Club Subject: FW: Members in area For the Digest. Respond (or not) as you will. Jim Vander Noot The International Wizard of Oz Club -----Original Message----- From: Dave & Cyndi [mailto:dmarshall@tusco.net] Friday, August 14, 1998 3:15 Subject:Members in area I am a middle school librarian in Belle Vernon, Pennsylvania (about 30 miles south of Pittsburgh. The theme our school will be using this year is THE WONDERFUL WIZARD OF OZ. I an interested in knowing if there is anyone in the area who is member of The International Wizard of Oz Club and might be willing to help the school with this project.  The principal of the school chooses a yearly theme adapted from a great literary work that presents positive qualities and that give meaning a purpose to the students. Any help that you might offer would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Cynthia K. Russell-Marshall, Librarian, Bellmar Middle School 500 Perry Avenue Belle Vernon, PA 15012 ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:15:16 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman Subject: ozzy digest watts line David Hulan: I happened to go to a concert at a Lutheran church the other night. (The Renaissance Buddhist Bassoon Quartet, an offshoot of the Bubonic Bassoon Quartet. The sound of a bassoon quartet is somewhat difficult to describe, but it was a fine concert, including such items as the "Star Wars" music intermingled with "When you wish upon a star" and "Twinkle twinkle little star," or the Ancient Suite, which turned out to be somewhat similar to "Ain't She Sweet.") I thought I'd look up Isaac Watts in the hymnal there, and was interested to note that they had some dozen Watts texts, including one that decidedly gives him a claim to fame -- "Joy to the World." Ruth Berman ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:43:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "James R. Whitcomb" Subject: For Ozzy Digest Hello everyone, I realize this topic has gone by the wayside, but I am behind in reading the digests so thought I would still post my comments. This has to do with buying Oz books thru Amazon.com vs. Books of Wonder. While I don't buy too many books from BOW, I have bought lots of Oz collectibles from them over the years. I have always been quite satisfied with the products they sell and their services. I advocate buying both Oz books and collectibles thru them vs. other places. BOW has probably been around longer than Amazon.com and "specializes" in Oz and other children's classics. So, in my opinion, they deserve the business. Who cares about a few bucks in order to support someone within the Oz community???? I also wanted to point out that some folks who do advocate buying from Amazon.com vs. Books of Wonder have a somewhat "selfish" motive. Amazon.com has agreements with some website host providers that if their customers create "Bookshops" on their websites, then buying books thru a particular customers site results in them getting a 15% commission on the sale of that book. And, Geocities is one of them. While I don't have any problems with this, I think folks should be forthcoming about their motives in trying to get folks to buy books thru Amazon.com, especially at their own websites. And, no, I'm not advertising/selling Oz books via Amazon.com thru my site for the reasons mentioned above. Jim Whitcomb of ... Jim's "Wizard of Oz" Website URL: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/6396/ ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 20 Aug 98 19:08:28 (PDT) From: Dave Hardenbrook Subject: Ozzy Things BOUNCED DIGESTS -- THE SAGA CONTINUES: We have another member whose server is rejecting the Digest saying, "We don't accept junk mail!": meglinkiddie@mobsters.com Could someone E-mail them (let me know privately)? Wogglebug: Remember the mantra boys and girls: All junk mail is a mass mailing; The Ozzy Digest is a mass mailing; Therefore the Ozzy Digest is junk mail. All cats have four legs; My dog has four legs; Therefore my dog is a cat. DIGEST ARCHIVE: Thanks to Tyler for setting up the Digest archive!!! He has *all the Ozzy Digests ever* BTW, so anyone can read the Digest from the beginning... :) -- Dave ====================================================================== -- Dave **************************************************************************** Dave Hardenbrook, DaveH47@delphi.com, http://people.delphi.com/DaveH47/ "I like to define humor as the affectionate communication of insight." -- Leo Rosten, introduction to _Oh K*A*P*L*A*N, My K*A*P*L*A*N_ ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, AUGUST 21 - 23, 1998 *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:44:08 -0400 From: Tyler Jones Subject: Oz Sender: Tyler Jones Dave: I need to remember to leave my computer on during the weekend. Sometimes I turn it off, so if you try to get to my Digest Archive at that time, it may not work. Keep trying, though. :-) Tyler Jones ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:14:21 -0400 From: Michael Turniansky Subject: Head in the Ozzy clouds > ================================================================ > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:15:05 -0700 > From: Tyler Jones > Subject: Oz > > Here's something cool... > There is a listserv out there with an interesting feature. > > Suppose I send a message to the entire list and "John Smith's" e-mail > address cannot receive it. The mailer-daemon sends a notice to the > entire group that this message cannot be delivered. > > Unfortunately, John Smith is a member of the group, so the Daemon > dutifully sends him the message as well. This causes another error, > which causes the Daemon to send another error message out to everybody, > including Mr. Smith, which causes yet another error to be generated... > > GRRRRRRRRRRRR! I've been gettting about two messages per minute since > noon. > > The interesting thing is, that in the case of a non-existant e-mail > address, only the sender gets an error message. This recursive loop only > happens when a message gets bounced from an existing valid e-mail > address. > > The powers that be are fixing this problem now. > > Lesson of the day: It's not a good idea to do large-scale automated > things in response to an event, since the sending might cause the same > event to happen again. > > Tyler Jones > Yes, on the Religious Humor list, we ran into that problem about two years ago, in a slightly different form. This one caused by a person's automatic message sent back to the sender saying "I am out of the office until Monday, August 18th, here's who you can contact until then....." Being sent back to the "reply-to" address, which of course was the mailing list including her on it. Since the poor, sweet sender was named June McCloud, this forever became engraved on our memory as "the June McCloud problem". It was solved (after overflowing many folks' mailboxes) by removing her from the mailing list. I understand that Windows 98 has this as an automatic feature, BUT is smart enough to keep a list of who it has sent to, and only sends it back ONCE! (since we thought we were about to run into this again last week) --Mike "Shaggy Man" Turniansky ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:08:08 -0700 From: plgnyc Subject: Ozzy Digest David Hulan wrote: > _Lost Princess_ goes for $19.95 plus S&H pre-pub (meaning before Sept. 10 > -though Peter G. says it'll be available earlier, possibly already) and $22 > after that. If you just order the one copy S&H is $4.75 pre-pub or, because > of the price break-points, $6 later. So, effectively, you save $3.30 by > ordering pre-pub. Actually, the official retail price will be $24.00 (the $22.00 in our letter was a typo -- sorry!), so anyone ordering at the pre-publication price saved a total of $5.30. - Peter Glassman Books of Wonder ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:16:52 -0700 From: plgnyc Subject: Ozzy Digest I am so sorry to hear about Dorothy Nitch passing away. She was a lovely and gracious lady. My late partner, James, and I always enjoyed her and Jim so very much. It was so obvious how devoted they were to each other that just being in their company was a pleasure! I will miss her. I also wanted to thank all of you who've spoken out in support of ordering Oz and other books directly from us at Books of Wonder. Though we certainly support ALL the many fine retailers who sell our publications, the truth is that we depend upon our retail and mail order sales to "make ends meet" -- so you truly are helping us to produce more Oz books and collectibles when you order through the Oz Collector. Many thanks for all of you who've supported us through the years! And if you have never seen the Oz Collector, but would like to, you can request a free copy by: e-mailing us at bookswonder@earthlink.net calling us at (800) 207-6968 US mailing us at 16 West 18th Street, NY, NY 10011 Thanks again! - Peter Glassman Books of Wonder ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:40:54 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman Subject: ozzy digest David Hulan: Going back to the booted Ozma question -- I had started to comment that Neill's late cover for "Emerald City," of Ozma riding the Sawhorse, showed Ozma in riding boots, but then didn't, when I checked in "Bibliographia Oziana" and found that was wrong, as she has shoes on. But I still had a clear picture in my head of Ozma in riding boots on the Sawhorse, and finally realized that it was from "Yellow Knight," when she is planning to go a-questing with Sir Hokus. (Hmmm -- did Neill do the two drawings about the same time? I'll try to remember to check.) Scott H.: It is actually Isaac Watts, not Watt. Checking on the U of MN catalogue, I see that they have 672 (!) items listed under the author heading for him. Of course, a couple hundred of them are spare copies (or reprints) of the more popular stuff, but it's still quite a total. Jim Whitcomb: Probably some Oz fans are on budgets tight enough to make saving a little on the price difference between Amazon-com and Books of Wonder an important consideration. As you say, though, Books of Wonder really deserves the support for their commitment to providing (and producing) Oz books (and related souvenirs), and probably most of us ought to be able to give it to them. Ruth Berman ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:48:53 +0000 (GMT) From: David Hulan Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-20-98 Scott H.: >David: Isacc Watt (not Watts, I believe), is best known for "Joy to the >World" (the words only, of course). I think it's Watts, but don't have a hymnal around to check. Should probably E-mail my brother to verify one way or t'other. Tyler: >Speaking of Y2K, has a location been decided for the big 2000 convention? You must not have been paying attention; it's been discussed on the Digest several times. Bloomington, Indiana, and the dates are firm as well but I don't remember them offhand. Something like July 19-22, I think; it's a four-day deal. Ruth: >Robin Olderman: I should be able to make Aberdeen next year. Don't >apologize for a long post. It's all interesting. I hope people don't think long posts should be apologized for; I'd have to apologize just about every Digest. (Though not this one, for some reason.) Meghan: Thanks for providing us with your name. Barb DeJohn: The query from the teacher in Belle Vernon sounds like something you might be able to help with if you have the time. But it's your call. David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:05:55 +0000 (GMT) From: David Hulan Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-18-98 Further comment. I queried my brother, expert on 19th century church music, and he says it's Isaac Watts, as I thought (and Ruth originally said). His further comment: >His work correctly, but not invariably, appears as Watts' Psalms >and Hymns (backstrip title). >Some black folk have folkily given that a singular form, and >speak of singing older hymns in "Dr. Watt" style, whether the >text be his or someone else's. David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:39:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Kiex@aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-20-98 Meghan: Nice to be able to put a name with a face! Er, a posting. Er, an e-mail message. Ah, you know what I mean! ;-) <Barbara: the Wizard never wore the green glasses!>> <> Technicalities, technicalities! <> Yikes! That's . . . impressive! (And for all you who tire of my constant tirade, you can actually find Digests without my annoying comments, attempts at humor, and incessant chatter . . . ) Speaking of witches, did you know that the arms exchange between the US and Mexico is known as the Wicked Switch of the West? --Jeremy Steadman, kivel99@planetall.com http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/9619 ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:56:10 -0400 From: "J. L. Bell" Subject: all ROADs lead to Oz Sender: "J. L. Bell" Thanks, Tyler Jones, for news of the Ozzy Digest archives! In response to my extra-tough question, "Where in the Oz series published by R&L do we see Button-Bright barefoot?" Dave Hulan wrote: <> You're right, Dave. It's not *in* any of the books. As far as I recall, Baum never describes Button-Bright taking off his stockings, even to sleep (he does take off his shoes to sneak into the Boolooroo's treasure room). Which makes this particular illustration so odd. It's on the cover of a 1940s-50s edition of ROAD, with a spiky, non-Neill cartoon of the travelers (though the Neill art is inside). Dorothy and Toto are in the foreground. Little Button-Bright is sitting on the Shaggy Man's shoulders in his sailor suit and hat but without his shoes and socks. I saw this edition at the Munchkin Convention. Herm Beiber might be able to tell us its approximate dates, or this cover might appear in a more recent BIBLIOGRAPHIA OZIANA than I have. [If it turns out I misremembered the publisher of this edition, I apologize to folks here and to the ghosts of Reilly and Lee.] The first edition of ROAD, of course, contains the only Neill drawing of a Hammerhead, and the only page on which we see pictures of both Tip and Ozma. Has everyone found those? The nearest commercial airport to Hersey, Pennsylvania, is Harrisburg "International" Airport. I use quotations marks because I recall flying into the airfield many years ago and thinking it was the least cosmopolitan strip I'd yet visited (that was before suffering through Westchester County Airport). The International designation is because Harrisburg handles the overseas overflow when Philly is shut down. Hersey is not out of range of Philadelphia, and the drive takes one through Lancaster County, known for the farms of the Old Order Amish. Lancaster contains a building that, from the back, looks like it could be Glinda's castle: a sprawling pink complex with many domes, standing out from the fields of corn and hay. My tourist map implies this is the Living Waters Theater, but as an Oz fan I know better. My photos will come back from the developer this weekend--then all I'll need is a Web page and someone who's seen Glinda's castle to confirm the resemblance! J. L. Bell JnoLBell@compuserve.com ====================================================================== Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:28:19 -0700 From: Tyler Jones Subject: Oz The A/C in our building will not be on this weekend, so we're turning everything off. Therefore, you will not be able to download the digital maps until Monday morning. Thank you for your cooperation. Tyler Jones ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:01:13 -0700 (PDT) From: pendyoz@webtv.net (Shaun Pendergast) Subject: My new Oz board X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAlkxOVIDZ394s/7WvVioMp8hpOWMCFEvEZ1BdzkVyk3/NOIFNyIolixOn I've just created this OZ message board called "Pendyoz's (OZ) Message board" It concerns anything and everything to do w/ OZ; movies, books, toons, news, ect. If you could, please stop by, and spread the word, Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124641 ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:12:33 +0000 From: Christopher Straughn Subject: Turkish Oz and Goodbye for now. Comments: Authenticated sender is > sahutchi@iupui.edu > > I don't think there is anything about the Turkish Oz film here, but those > of you who have had your interest piqued in Turkish cinema might find this > English-language masters thesis interesting. > > http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~enoyan/ Just an announcement here: I'm going to Turkey for a year on Thursday (and I just got my tickets today!!!) so I should be able to look up some of these Turkish Oz movies that I keep hearing about on the Digest. Also, I don't know when I'll get e-mail so I might not be able to get the Digest for quite a while. So....until I get e-mail, Bye all! Chris Straughn ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 23 Aug 98 00:01:06 (PDT) From: Dave Hardenbrook Subject: Ozzy Things MEMORY LAPSES: Well shame, shame on all of us! :) I just today realized that the most important day on the Ozzy calendar came and went a couple of days ago and not one of us remembered and acknowledged it! Jellia: I'll give you a hint, guys -- (In her lovely singing voice) "For she's a jolly good sovreign; For she's a jolly good sovreign; For she's a jolly good sovrei-i-ign...Which nobody can deny!" NEW FAQ: The new version (v2.5) of the Ozzy Digest FAQ is now online. Be sure to check it out: -- Dave ====================================================================== -- Dave **************************************************************************** Dave Hardenbrook, DaveH47@delphi.com, http://people.delphi.com/DaveH47/ "I like to define humor as the affectionate communication of insight." -- Leo Rosten, introduction to _Oh K*A*P*L*A*N, My K*A*P*L*A*N_ ] c/ \ /___\ *** THE OZZY DIGEST, AUGUST 24 - 26, 1998 *** |@ @| | V | \\\ |\_/| | ;;; \-/ \ ;/ >< ] ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 12:03:54 -0400 From: Bruce Gray Subject: Item for Ozzy Digest Hi All! Just a quick note - I have been overwhelmed by youre responses to my "Wizard of Oz Sites" web page! "Captain Nemo's" Wizard of Oz Sites available at: http://206.107.180.50:80/CaptainNemo/link/ozwizard.htm I have noticed that it gets almost as many hits per page as almost any other page on my site! So I thought I'd let everyone know it's there (again) and has been updated recently to include many more Oz and Oz related book links and many more Oz and Oz related sites. (Unabashed plug mode on :-) I've even included a link to a seperate page of Oz books for sale thru Amazon.com (Unabashed plug mode off :-) although I plan on getting my copy of LP thru Books of Wonder directly. Anyone on the Ozzy Digest that doesn't see their site listed is more than welcome to contact me with the URL and I'll add you asap. Sorry it isn't as pretty as some - but I believe in content over glitz any day. Happy (belated) Birthday Ozma! Bruce lbrucegray@rica.net http://206.107.180.50:80/CaptainNemo/link/ozwizard.htm ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:52:14 -0400 From: Tyler Jones Subject: Oz Sender: Tyler Jones Wizard: If we want to get really technical, the Wizard did not "enter" the Emerald City in _DotWiz_ either. He was transported directly there. As far as we can tell, he did not enter the EC in the standard way until _Emerald City_. Dave: Holy Hippikaloric! We all forgot Ozma's birthday! (August 21, for those who have not yet read _Road_). I'm sure she'll forgive us, though. After all, she knows we all love her. :-) Tyler Jones ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:32:27 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman Subject: ozzy digest I was sorry to read an obituary notice in the Sunday NY Times for Gregg Burge: "Gregg Burge, a dancer and choreographer on Broadway and in films, died on July 4 at Piedmont Hospital in Atlanta. He was 40 and had homes in Atlanta and New York. The cause was complications from a brain tumor, said his mother, Thelma. A friend of Mr. Burge's reported his death to The New York Times last week. ... His first major stage role was as the Scarecrow in the Broadway musical `The Wiz'." He didn't originate the role on Broadway (Ted Hinton did), but he played it for a long time. A pleasanter note -- I checked the dates for the two equestrienne- Ozma drawings, and the "Emerald City" cover is 1929, and the "Yellow Knight" was 1930, so it's not surprising that the two are similar. ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:04:31 +0000 (GMT) From: David Hulan Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-23-98 Ruth: You're right about Ozma wearing boots in that illustration from _Yellow Knight_. I guess I should have worded the question "In what book is Ozma first depicted wearing boots?" Jeremy: ><visit; he was there when she arrived in Oz and never left until he departed >in the balloon, not to return until at least Dorothy's third visit.>> > >Technicalities, technicalities! Technicalities are the lifeblood of trivia quizzes! :-) J.L.: OK, I don't feel bad about missing the barefoot Button-Bright question if it's from a non-standard edition. R&L did do a new set of covers for a lot of the books (maybe all of them) in the '50s, and that was probably one of them. I only have a couple of books with the non-Neill covers - _Hungry Tiger_ by an unnamed artist (but whoever it was was pretty bad, imho) and _Captain Salt_ with one by Dick Martin. > [If it turns out I misremembered the publisher of this edition, I >apologize to folks here and to the ghosts of Reilly and Lee.] Nobody but R&L would have published an edition of _Road_ before it went PD, and that wasn't until 1985, so it was almost certainly a R&L edition you saw. Dave: >MEMORY LAPSES: >Well shame, shame on all of us! :) I just today realized that the most >important day on the Ozzy calendar came and went a couple of days ago and >not one of us remembered and acknowledged it! I is covered with rue. David Hulan ====================================================================== Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:06:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Anthony Donajkowski Subject: the fabulous 40 are now 41 (for oz digest) you read it write the fabulous forty are now forty one why forty one cause at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/7277 you can now read dave l hardenbooks (yes our dave whose last name is really lister) red dwarf in oz so point your browsers to power star and read daves new oz story ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:32:11 -0400 (EDT) From: TotoArf@aol.com Subject: wiz oz intl This Screen Name has been spamming me with requests that I visit it's website. I suggested they change their name due to similarity to the Copyrighted title of IWOC. The link leads nowhere when I try it (though I did immediately change all of our Passwords in case it might be a password-stealer). Does anyone know of this company? It advertises by means of illegal Spams, but it does claim to have been in business for 10 years. Please Private E-Mail me if I get any reaction to this question. Thanks. Also, while I am spamming someone else's spam for them, I may as well Smurf my own spam at the same time: http://members.aol.com/LionCoward/home.html I have some discount deals on the DOGHOUSE link :) Thanks. From: WIZOZINTL@aol.com ====================================================================== Subject: Re: Check out Oz International Quote Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:08:38 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 hello, let me just take a moment..to tell you about oz international... in response to your return letter... 'the wizard of oz incorporated' is the world's only wizard of oz company...and all corp information is located on our web-site under ' about oz international' we are a legal company and have been in business for the past ten years... we are also in the process of setting up 'the oz foundation' an organization to benefit childrens charities...thru web-site sales i'm sorry you've made such a harsh judgement due to my sending you a link...i just happened to go thru member profiles and found that you might be someone with an interest in 'oz'..as this will be one of the many wonderful sites on the internet ...i wanted to extend my personal invitation to you.. i hope that you will reconsider another vist...and you will find us to be on the up and up... i've been a collector of 'oz' memorabillia for many years and a member of the intl oz club...also just attended 'the munchkin convention'...we are not trying to represent this organization although they will have a link on our page... the address again is... www.thewizardofozinc.com thankyou for taking the time to write... fondly, the wizard..todd g sparks / founder ceo of 'the wizard of oz inc.' ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:41:16 -0400 From: Mark K DeJohn Subject: Ozzy Digest Sender: Mark K DeJohn From: Barbara DeJohn Hi All !!! I could not get into Compuserve for 2 weeks so I am catching up. (My husband did something) I would love for the Munchkin Con to be moved to Hershey, PA. It is a lovely area, the town smells like chocolate, the lightpost lights are shaped like Hershey kisses and Hershey park is a nice amusement park with the best soft ice-cream I have ever tasted. (Have I raved enough?) It doesn't hurt that it would be alot closer for me. Who do I send my vote to? (Is it a democracy?) I received a nice letter from Fred Meyer congratulating me on winning the Winkie Con Quiz. I am to send him my quiz for next year by May so that he can compile questions for the Bugle. He said one of this years favorites was : On Dorothy's first visit to Oz, Who entered the Emerald City, talked with her, and left without wearing green glasses? Good one, huh ? Ozzily, Barbara DeJohn ====================================================================== Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:41:18 -0400 From: Mark K DeJohn Subject: Ozzy Digest, 08-23-98 Sender: Mark K DeJohn From: Barbara DeJohn Hello everyone!!! I know that this was discussed a while ago but there is a 8-sided barn in Girard PA. It was used to house circus animals for the famous clown Dan Rice. He was the first to depict the Uncle Sam character. I don't know it's exact date but it must be the late 1800's or early 1900's. It is still there but being a barn it doesn't have windows. There is another Wizard of Oz game I saw for the first time today. It is by Ravensburger which is a German company that makes very good quality toys. The idea is that there are twelve memory pieces and the wizard will request one and the players have to race to be the first to get it for him. It was on sale for $25.00. My daughter starts school tomorrow. Where did the summer go? Ozzily, Barbara DeJohn ====================================================================== -- Dave **************************************************************************** Dave Hardenbrook, DaveH47@delphi.com, http://people.delphi.com/DaveH47/ "I like to define humor as the affectionate communication of insight." -- Leo Rosten, introduction to _Oh K*A*P*L*A*N, My K*A*P*L*A*N_